Faithless elector': Supreme Court will hear case

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Are the electors who cast the actual Electoral College ballots for president and vice president required to follow the results of the popular vote in their states? Or are they free to vote as they wish?

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I'm not all up on the legal mumbo jumbo on this stuff, but if they don't follow the will of the people of their state, then what's the fricking point? Just have these four hundred and something assclowns elect the President.

I mean they are asking for violence in their states

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I mean they are asking for violence in their states

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Damn good way to get your arse in a funk - be the deciding vote against the way swore an oath to vote.

60 million people would legitimately want to shoot you in the face.

Why even have human beings designed as electors?

The electoral college is outdated. We have computers and shite now. Just need to update the processes. No need for human to actually cast a ballot in behalf of the people that have already voted. Can't believe time is being wasted on this by the courts.

The only reason to keep humans in the loop is because we want them to have the ability to go against the popular vote. Otherwise, remove them.

Going to be interesting how SC rules. If they rule that electors don’t have to follow their state popular vote, it will be an encouragement for more faithless electors.

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Damn good way to get your arse in a funk - be the deciding vote against the way swore an oath to vote.

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Don't know about all of this. The Constitution doesn't talk about it much. I just went through the national archives rundown on it and the way it reads to me is that they don't even all take an oath. It says "some states require them to pledge" to vote the way the popular vote goes. Some states also have laws requiring them to vote with the will of the people, but not all. There is also a question about whether or not the Constitution provides a means to even levy any sort of punishment against an elector for acting in bad faith.

Definitely something the Supreme Court needs to weigh in on because near as I can tell the only time it has ever happened was in 2016.

I would also like it to be broken down a little better than all of that. The way I think it should go is that they should tie the electoral votes to the district and give each district a vote. If we are going to use computers in our election now we can handle dissecting the vote a little more and give the people within the states a more equal say. Then, each elector is assigned a district and they are required by law (state law it should be) to vote the way the people of their district votes.

That’s because a lot of states used to appoint electors just like U.S. Senators used to be appointed by state legislatures. The electoral college was designed to represent the interests of the state governments, not the people of those states. This makes sense in the context that when the Constitution was being drafted, the states were considered independent sovereign nations with a shared defense and free trade agreement between them. The National government was where the states themselves were represented, with the state governments’ representatives in the Senate and the peoples’ reps in the house. The president was thus elected by the states, not the people.

Over time, more and more states moved to having their senators and electors chosen based off of popular vote until it all became standard issue. The National government of the United States was very undemocratic at the time of its founding.

The irony being that Hillary lost more electors than Trump did, even with the all out campaign to take his.

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I kind of feel like it should be allowed. It's up to the state parties to police that shite (and the populace of the state if it comes down to keeping its electors in line).

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I get the spirit of what you’re saying, and it leaves room to “correct” things if something huge emerges the day after the election, but I am not comfortable with the idea of leaving this open to a well planned insurrection.

I just don’t trust people in stuff like this anymore.