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re: Explosions in Caracas, looks like it’s popping off

Posted on 1/3/26 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 5:18 pm to
We should have waited until tomorrow, Sunday.

The sound clips of “Easy like Sunday morning” would have been epic
Posted by BayouBengal51
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 5:22 pm to
S300's getting bad reviews now

Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 5:27 pm to
Not seeing much about sending in ground troops. How do we accomplish long term stability without sending in troops?

The cartels are the reason Chavez and Maduro were able to take power. The cartels are powerful and have money. They have to be taken out in order to have long term success, imo.

One strategy would be to hold still and wait till they move out and take their operations to a neighboring country. But that leaves us "in control" for too long, imo.

The other option is to go in and take them out. History is not on our side when it comes to this type of warfare.

For the record, I am not at all against what we did last night. But a realist should at least acknowledge that this can go sideways if not handled properly. I'm not even claiming to know what properly is, in this case.

It's just a question.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 5:29 pm to
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Why do they keep saying that we are at war with Venezuela?


Because OMB at all times & they have to feed their TDS infected cult
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 5:35 pm to
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Don't care if this has been posted already
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 6:35 pm to
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BREAKING: Nicolás Maduro and his wife Cilia Flores land at the Westside Heliport in New York City in footage shared by
@ScooterCasterNY
.

Here is what comes next, according to Fox News:

- Motorcade will move from the heliport toward the Drug Enforcement Agency Office in Manhattan.

- They will then head to the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

- Arraignment expected Monday.
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Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 6:50 pm to
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By Russia?

No, by the suborning of the elected government of Ukraine by America.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55529 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 6:54 pm to
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Not in terms of policy-strategy.

Are we supposed to have the same policies and strategies for a superpower as we do for a Third World country? The country in question matters.

Venezuela was a piece of cake. As I wrote in another thread, regime change is advisable when three conditions are met: first, it must be in America's interest. Second, it must be relatively easy. Third, the regime in question must be illegitimate. Venezuela met all three conditions.

Your insistence that none of these differences matter, identifies you as an ideologue. And there is no place for ideologues in diplomacy.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 6:56 pm to
Slowobtusepro is suddenly in love with rigid thought process.
Posted by Jugbow
Member since Nov 2025
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 6:58 pm to
Did Roger finally pass out?
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 6:59 pm to
Earlier pissed himself and slumped over is my guess.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33491 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 7:11 pm to
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Hello Senator Slotkin,

I've been waiting for your take on Venezuela. When it comes to regime change, few institutions have a longer and more educational record of failure than the CIA, so your opposition is as reassuring as Jim Cramer's stock picks.

Congratulations on reciting the roll call of countries your own institutions helped ruin. Treating that history as a rhetorical shield doesn't grant you credibility, it just advertises a refusal to learn from it. Now let me explain why Venezuela does not belong in your grab bag of "long-term engagements."

Most of the countries you list were a result of a worldview that any non-democracy is a threat to the stability of the post-Cold War world order.

?? Iraq: My book documents how your side eagerly supported the operations, until Iraq turned into a quagmire, and then instead of taking responsibility, the global liberal order threw America under the bus and blamed a lack of "multilateralism."
?? Somalia: The United Nations 1993 resolution lists the goal of the Somalian intervention as "recreating a Somali State based on democratic governance and rehabilitating the country's economy and infrastructure."
?? Syria: Obama himself celebrated Syria's "peaceful transition to democracy" in the Arab Spring and we all know how that turned out.

Beyond that, the common thread is: you imposed pro-Western views on a non-Western world. You haven't learned from that, because you are still doing that in virtually every country in the world - except over the decades, your meaning of "Western" has morphed to something like "Communism."

The "long-term engagement" framing is a dodge. You've never been afraid of long-term engagements. See: all your chest-beating about Ukraine.

The real question is far darker: if you believe in democracy, why aren't you celebrating the removal of a dictator from the single easiest country on earth to transition back to it?

Venezuela is not Somalia. It has borders, institutions, a literate population, a unified national identity, and a recent democratic memory. Trump just demonstrated how little force was required to remove a narco-state that survived only on inertia.

You are one of these people who idolize democracy, chant "threat to democracy" like it is a holy hymn, who buy into Open Society ideals. And yet, when an actual dictator is removed, your response is anger.

Why?

Because at some point, Venezuelan people became expendable in service of a larger abstraction you call "stability" of the liberal democratic order.

Maduro's Venezuela was useful. It was predictable. It gave BRICS a foothold in the hemisphere, kept drug flows legible and quantifiable, and weakened an increasingly inconvenient United States. It made the region easier to model, easier to manage, easier to explain in policy memos. In short, Maduro made the whole world more legible to you.

A free Venezuela introduces uncertainty. It restores agency to people who were supposed to remain variables.

So now we get lectures about "international law," tantrums from NGOs, and sudden concern for norms that were never extended to the people living under a narco-dictatorship.

We understand the objection. It just isn't the one you say out loud.
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Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 7:13 pm to
Lol ka frickng boom!
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 7:45 pm to
This is the typical emasculine behavior from leftists. They know that hard things need to be done, but jolly it shouldnt be them doing it. Thats scary stuff. Everyone should follow the rules, even if they know their opponents wont follow the rules.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 1/3/26 at 7:49 pm to
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Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23528 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:05 pm to
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This is the typical emasculine behavior from leftists. They know that hard things need to be done, but jolly it shouldnt be them doing it. Thats scary stuff. Everyone should follow the rules, even if they know their opponents wont follow the rules.
In considering this point, I think this is going to set some major shockwaves off in Europe.

We have a number of countries publicly going on record that they considered Maduro illegitimate, but still whining that the US shouldn't have done this.

It won't be hard for reporters, opposition etc to ask:
if you felt Maduro was not legitimate, why did you allow him to illegally oppress the 30M citizens of Venezuela for so long without doing anything?

And the next question would be:
How did it benefit you to not act against his illegal regime?

The first question will call out the hypocrisy of condemning the US for acting, the second will shine some light into who was receiving financial kickbacks
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33491 posts
Posted on 1/3/26 at 8:42 pm to
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