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re: Explain what caused the towers to collspse.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:38 pm to AtticusOSullivan
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:38 pm to AtticusOSullivan
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Jet fuel and office furniture burning caused massive steel I beams to fail? Help me out.
Yes. It's called physics. Ever wonder why heat is used to join metal?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:38 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Get me to the temperature that weakens steel I beams and we will discuss it further.
"In an article in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals, and Materials Society and in subsequent interviews, Thomas Eagar, an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, explains why: steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building. Temperature differentials of hundreds of degrees across single steel horizontal trusses caused them to sag--straining and then breaking the angle clips that held the beams to the vertical columns. Once one truss failed, others followed. When one floor collapsed onto the next floor below, that floor subsequently gave way, creating a pancaking effect that triggered each 500,000-ton structure to crumble. Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down."
LINK
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
agreed,
now, based upon an estimate of the mass of the steel above the fire, the steel's ability to cool off like a heat sink away from the fire, the amount of available heat wicking material,
is the magic 1000° possible in a large enough area,
to evenly weaken the whole top, to make it drop straight down,
now, based upon an estimate of the mass of the steel above the fire, the steel's ability to cool off like a heat sink away from the fire, the amount of available heat wicking material,
is the magic 1000° possible in a large enough area,
to evenly weaken the whole top, to make it drop straight down,
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to BamaGradinTn
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steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to Indefatigable
because its a discussion board
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down."
Not to mention, the towers were designed that way ON PURPOSE. There is a Modern Marvels on the history channel about the towers, pre 9/11. The nutjobs should check it out. Or they should consider the role Engineering plays in designing giant structures and the safe guards utilized within rather than think they know more than the engineers and the science behind the buildings.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:42 pm to Pelican fan99
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Those planes at that speed crashing into something is an unbelievable force
Not really. Planes are rather light weight for their size. That's why they are able to fly. It was the heat from the burning fuel that did the trick. The force was supplied by the weight of the building materials that were standing there for years.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building.
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It was just a few burning office chairs, bruh.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:43 pm to dr
That answer would require a ton of information that would require research on my part that I'm not going to do.
The wtc collapse has been answered in pretty basic terms. Those who do not understand or choose not to will not be swayed.
The wtc collapse has been answered in pretty basic terms. Those who do not understand or choose not to will not be swayed.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:44 pm to Indefatigable
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It’s structural integrity decreased by 50%. From 300% to 250%
Can we talk about how wasteful it is to design anything over 200% factor of safety?
200% should be the max, it allows a structure to lose all (100%) of its integrity and still have 100% of its structural integrity intact!
dr has just revolutionized civil engineering.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:46 pm to BugAC
stick end a chunk of iron in a fire,
measure temp
stick other end in water
measure temp
same fire temp less in second one
quench
measure temp
stick other end in water
measure temp
same fire temp less in second one
quench
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:48 pm to AtticusOSullivan
Force of the airplane and resulting blast stripped support beams of fire retardant. Beams began to super heat from burning jet fuel and when combined with pressure lost structural integrity.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:48 pm to dr
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because its a discussion board
Right. And you are refusing to discuss.
Do you think airplanes hit the WTC, Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11?
Your answer directly impacts your credibility in said discussion. Refusing to answer such basic and simple questions does nothing to further discussion. Use them as a starting point. Just answer. Go ahead and say "No" so that we can discuss it.
You are the only person not discussing in this thread. You are just throwing ninth grade physics at the wall and asking questions
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:51 pm to dr
quote:
stick end a chunk of iron in a fire,
measure temp
stick other end in water
measure temp
same fire temp less in second one
quench
Why does this matter when when one end is under a constant and ever increasing heat load? How's it dissipating at the source under this scenario?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:52 pm to Indefatigable
FYI, most of its strength was outside, in the air at 80° plus the fire
The twin towers’ design provided stability from the outside in—without a forest of interior support columns.
Traditional skyscrapers owed their stability to a system of large vertical columns running through each floor at intervals of 15-30 feet, with the exterior walls providing little support on their own. But in order to open up the vast swaths of office space called for in the planned twin towers, engineers put the bulk of the buildings’ strength outside, essentially creating stiff tubes of heavy steel. The innovative design allowed for minimal columns inside, most of them clustered at the building’s center so as to maximize the amount of open space on each floor.
The twin towers’ design provided stability from the outside in—without a forest of interior support columns.
Traditional skyscrapers owed their stability to a system of large vertical columns running through each floor at intervals of 15-30 feet, with the exterior walls providing little support on their own. But in order to open up the vast swaths of office space called for in the planned twin towers, engineers put the bulk of the buildings’ strength outside, essentially creating stiff tubes of heavy steel. The innovative design allowed for minimal columns inside, most of them clustered at the building’s center so as to maximize the amount of open space on each floor.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:53 pm to Y.A. Tittle
into the existing mass of the building, transferred thru conduction
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:54 pm to FutureMikeVIII
hint, that is how its done
I just stated something you didn't understand
you prob, not mine
I just stated something you didn't understand
you prob, not mine
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:58 pm to dr
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Boeing 707-320B
So you picked the very last variation of this aircraft to attempt to prove your point.. nice..
I'm sorry that your anti- government conspiracy fantasy isn't true.. the simple fact of what happened was a plane loaded down flew into the side of the building.. The steel structure failed and it came down.. You can throw out all the made up math you want at it, but it's not going to be true. And any logical argument I could throw back will never change your tightly tinfoil wrapped mind.. So it seems we're at an impasse
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:00 pm to Indefatigable
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Right. And you are refusing to discuss.
no,
quote:
Do you think airplanes hit the WTC, Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11?
Your answer directly impacts your credibility in said discussion. Refusing to answer such basic and simple questions does nothing to further discussion. Use them as a starting point. Just answer. Go ahead and say "No" so that we can discuss it.
no, an opinion is not scientific facts
quote:
You are the only person not discussing in this thread. You are just throwing ninth grade physics at the wall and asking questions
you are the one asking my opinion, which would be emotionally based
You started name calling, and the concept of heat transfer thru a massive multimaterial structure, whose strength was mainly on the outside were the steel would be coolest is not even close to ninth grade
but, you proved your point, yet again, with no facts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:00 pm to dr
quote:
hint, that is how its done
I just stated something you didn't understand
you prob, not mine
Lol, you can’t be serious.
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