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re: Explain what caused the towers to collspse.

Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:38 pm to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57819 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:38 pm to
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Jet fuel and office furniture burning caused massive steel I beams to fail? Help me out.


Yes. It's called physics. Ever wonder why heat is used to join metal?

Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29223 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

Get me to the temperature that weakens steel I beams and we will discuss it further.



"In an article in the Journal of the Minerals, Metals, and Materials Society and in subsequent interviews, Thomas Eagar, an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, explains why: steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building. Temperature differentials of hundreds of degrees across single steel horizontal trusses caused them to sag--straining and then breaking the angle clips that held the beams to the vertical columns. Once one truss failed, others followed. When one floor collapsed onto the next floor below, that floor subsequently gave way, creating a pancaking effect that triggered each 500,000-ton structure to crumble. Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down."

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Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:40 pm to
agreed,

now, based upon an estimate of the mass of the steel above the fire, the steel's ability to cool off like a heat sink away from the fire, the amount of available heat wicking material,
is the magic 1000° possible in a large enough area,
to evenly weaken the whole top, to make it drop straight down,
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298813 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to
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steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to
because its a discussion board
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57819 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

Conspiricists argue that the buildings should have fallen over on their sides, but with 95 percent of each building consisting of air, they could only have collapsed straight down."



Not to mention, the towers were designed that way ON PURPOSE. There is a Modern Marvels on the history channel about the towers, pre 9/11. The nutjobs should check it out. Or they should consider the role Engineering plays in designing giant structures and the safe guards utilized within rather than think they know more than the engineers and the science behind the buildings.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55407 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:42 pm to
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Those planes at that speed crashing into something is an unbelievable force

Not really. Planes are rather light weight for their size. That's why they are able to fly. It was the heat from the burning fuel that did the trick. The force was supplied by the weight of the building materials that were standing there for years.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110895 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:42 pm to
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quote:
steel loses 50 percent of its strength at 1,200 degrees F; 90,000 liters of jet fuel ignited other combustible materials such as rugs, curtains, furniture and paper, which continued burning after the jet fuel was exhausted, raising temperatures above 1,400 degrees F and spreading the inferno throughout each building.





It was just a few burning office chairs, bruh.
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
Member since Jul 2022
3237 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:43 pm to
That answer would require a ton of information that would require research on my part that I'm not going to do.

The wtc collapse has been answered in pretty basic terms. Those who do not understand or choose not to will not be swayed.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1761 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:44 pm to
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It’s structural integrity decreased by 50%. From 300% to 250%


Can we talk about how wasteful it is to design anything over 200% factor of safety?

200% should be the max, it allows a structure to lose all (100%) of its integrity and still have 100% of its structural integrity intact!

dr has just revolutionized civil engineering.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:46 pm to
stick end a chunk of iron in a fire,
measure temp

stick other end in water
measure temp

same fire temp less in second one

quench
Posted by McChowder
Hammond
Member since Dec 2006
5750 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:48 pm to
Force of the airplane and resulting blast stripped support beams of fire retardant. Beams began to super heat from burning jet fuel and when combined with pressure lost structural integrity.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37202 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:48 pm to
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because its a discussion board

Right. And you are refusing to discuss.

Do you think airplanes hit the WTC, Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11?

Your answer directly impacts your credibility in said discussion. Refusing to answer such basic and simple questions does nothing to further discussion. Use them as a starting point. Just answer. Go ahead and say "No" so that we can discuss it.

You are the only person not discussing in this thread. You are just throwing ninth grade physics at the wall and asking questions
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:51 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110895 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

stick end a chunk of iron in a fire,
measure temp

stick other end in water
measure temp

same fire temp less in second one

quench


Why does this matter when when one end is under a constant and ever increasing heat load? How's it dissipating at the source under this scenario?
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:52 pm to
FYI, most of its strength was outside, in the air at 80° plus the fire

The twin towers’ design provided stability from the outside in—without a forest of interior support columns.
Traditional skyscrapers owed their stability to a system of large vertical columns running through each floor at intervals of 15-30 feet, with the exterior walls providing little support on their own. But in order to open up the vast swaths of office space called for in the planned twin towers, engineers put the bulk of the buildings’ strength outside, essentially creating stiff tubes of heavy steel. The innovative design allowed for minimal columns inside, most of them clustered at the building’s center so as to maximize the amount of open space on each floor.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:53 pm to
into the existing mass of the building, transferred thru conduction
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:54 pm to
hint, that is how its done

I just stated something you didn't understand

you prob, not mine
Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
5694 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:58 pm to
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Boeing 707-320B


So you picked the very last variation of this aircraft to attempt to prove your point.. nice..

I'm sorry that your anti- government conspiracy fantasy isn't true.. the simple fact of what happened was a plane loaded down flew into the side of the building.. The steel structure failed and it came down.. You can throw out all the made up math you want at it, but it's not going to be true. And any logical argument I could throw back will never change your tightly tinfoil wrapped mind.. So it seems we're at an impasse
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Right. And you are refusing to discuss.


no,

quote:

Do you think airplanes hit the WTC, Pentagon, and a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11?

Your answer directly impacts your credibility in said discussion. Refusing to answer such basic and simple questions does nothing to further discussion. Use them as a starting point. Just answer. Go ahead and say "No" so that we can discuss it.


no, an opinion is not scientific facts

quote:

You are the only person not discussing in this thread. You are just throwing ninth grade physics at the wall and asking questions


you are the one asking my opinion, which would be emotionally based
You started name calling, and the concept of heat transfer thru a massive multimaterial structure, whose strength was mainly on the outside were the steel would be coolest is not even close to ninth grade

but, you proved your point, yet again, with no facts

Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1761 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:00 pm to
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hint, that is how its done

I just stated something you didn't understand

you prob, not mine


Lol, you can’t be serious.
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