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re: Explain what caused the towers to collspse.

Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by Bridget O
Kilgarvan
Member since Dec 2020
425 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:57 pm to
So how did Bldg 7 fall in on itself? It WASNT HIT.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:58 pm to
that NONE of the "truths" are the truth

we have been lied to over and over (not just 9/11)

quote:

Or are you one of those “I’m just asking questions, I don’t know the truth” people?


so asking questions to define something is bad?

I do not jump to a conclusion, if the answers are not conclusive.
I attempt to find more facts, and being as this is a

DISCUSSION BOARD,

thats kinda how this thing works
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298810 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:58 pm to
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Um, the heat weakened the steel, causing the upper floors to collapse and pancake the rest of the structure.


That's too adult for the conspiracy guys.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37202 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

So how did Bldg 7 fall in on itself? It WASNT HIT.

I’m sure two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing directly next to WTC 7 had nothing to do with it. It was probably structurally as good as new and was blown up by the government for reasons.

It’s not like several other buildings in the vicinity also collapsed, were crushed, or had to be demolished in the years after (extreme sarcasm).
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:01 pm
Posted by GoT1de
Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
5041 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:02 pm to
Smithsonian cartoon Hope this helps you out.

Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
5694 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

and most structures, and pressure vessels are built with a minimum of 300% safety factor

so, at 50% reduction you are down to 250% SF

also the heat would be transfered thru all the steel,

this would cool the steel directly under the fire,

transfering heat


But we're also discussing buildings that were build in the mid 60's not modern day high rises..

And I think you're off on your percentages. .Factor of Safety requirements are to determine load a building can hold.. they don't factor in a Boeing 767 that weighs 300,000 plus lbs with a little over 20,000 gallons of fuel to be slammed into the side of said building..

Impact alone would have severely damaged structural supports and certainly would not be operating at that 250% you pulled out your arse.. Couple that with pockets of heat that were reaching nearly 1800 degrees and you got a recipe for disaster..

There's no grand conspiracy here perpetuated our government to go fight a useless war with a nation that has no intrinsic value..
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:04 pm to
ever done a real stress analysis?

you know, with math? It is not very easy, not at all

just define all the variables, and aprox values,

heat transfer, available heat, quench effect thru convection

the amount of heat that would be absorbed thru the whole structure is massive

the fire could be 1000° but barely raise the average temp of the steel 1/2 that or less

but, it's ok
I'll wait
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37202 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

the fire could be 1000° but barely raise the average temp of the steel 1/2 that or less
oooo, now do an actual relevant temperature, like the 1500-ish that jet fuel burns at, or the estimated 1800 degree conditions in the buildings interiors.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:05 pm to
cool,
now do the parking lots of cars burnt, next to not burnt ones
Posted by CouldCareLess
Member since Feb 2019
3168 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:05 pm to
You have heard of Aliens and UFO's right? UFO phaser particle beam firing on twin towers hit WTC7... We thought everyone knew that.
Signed: CIA and NSA
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:06 pm to
heat transfer is heat transfer, regardless
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37202 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

cool, now do the parking lots of cars burnt, next to not burnt ones

No clue what you are talking about. But the answer is obviously that FDNY set non consecutive cars on fire for reasons in order to distract people.

After all, every fire in parking lots always burns every car in the lot.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298810 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:08 pm to
Youre throwing out empty platitudes with no real meaning.

Why did this store collapse when the issue was with the weight of an Air Conditioning unit?

Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:08 pm to
the building was designed to take a plane hit,

then add 200% safety factor

and yes, safety factors of 300% were considered the norm since the advent of power boilers
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37202 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

the building was designed to take a plane hit,

Not the type of plane hit that it took. Not even close.

It was designed to withstand random idiots in private planes hitting them on accident while joyriding around Manhattan. Not a 767 loaded with fuel hitting it at full throttle.

But regardless, you don’t think planes hit the towers so why are you talking planes?
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298810 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

the building was designed to take a plane hit,

then add 200% safety factor

and yes, safety factors of 300% were considered the norm since the advent of power boilers


The hit didnt bring the building down. The loss of structural integrity caused by heat did.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
Member since Jul 2022
3237 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:11 pm to
The amount of Google engineers in this thread is awesome. Are you guys doctors in your free time?
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37202 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Youre throwing out empty platitudes with no real meaning. Why did this store collapse when the issue was with the weight of an Air Conditioning unit?

“If you can’t show me pictures of the HVAC unit fully intact in the wreckage that were taken the day of the collapse then that story is a lie”

-dr
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1321 posts
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:12 pm to
scientist, you?


(technical physical metrology)

thats the science of physical measurement

you know the stuff we were discussing above
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:20 pm
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