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re: Explain to like I am 25 why all wars are wrong? Every war in the ME gets boo’d in here

Posted on 3/16/26 at 6:57 am to
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
2930 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 6:57 am to
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1 - The Neocons in government lie to the American public as to the reasons for going to war. They want war at all costs. Their business is war and they make money off war. Wars are fought for money. They only benefit the 1% to the detriment to the 99%.

2 - the Middle East wars since 2001 are bankrupting our country. We now have $38 trillion in debt. Our government (us tax payers) have to service that debt. By servicing the growing, massive debt that doesn’t allow adequate spending for roads, infrastructure, education, health care, etc etc etc.

3 - war is destruction and devastation for the innocent people living in the countries we invade. We create homelessness for millions. Then… we relocate them to Western Europe and the USA. They don’t want to be here, and most Americans don’t want them here. This causes friction, division, and more money being spent on non citizens by our government.


As a graduate of Nathan Hale High School in Tulsa, OK, I regret that I have but 1 upvote to give.

Great post. Probably the best I have seen in this forum on this topic.

Something else to add about the Neocons - they have no qualms about sacrificing your children and grandchildren for their cause.

OP seems to have forgotten the number of American solider lives that have been lost in the aftermath of these ME wars that we've engaged in.

And those who survived but suffer from PTSD.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
17280 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 7:10 am to
Everyone’s for passivity until someone punches you in nose.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16312 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 7:13 am to
Very well written. Thanks for posting.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13501 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 8:19 am to
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Wars created Hitler, Pol Pot and Bin Laden


Wars also stopped Hitler, Pol Pot, and Bin Laden.

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War should be avoided at all cost


Almost nothing should be avoided "at all cost," and certainly not war, because avoiding war when appropriate just leads to more misery, more loss of life, and an even bigger war in the end. It's amazing that you can reference Hitler and Pol Pot in your OP and not see that.

It's like saying "Chemotherapy should be avoided at all cost." No, that's not correct. Because there's something worse than the chemotherapy...the cancer.

People who rant like you do are too comfortable to understand how most of the world lives. Half of the population of the planet lives on less than $7 a day, and the majority of nations in the world are autocracies/authoritarian regimes.

They don't care about rights or the standard of living of their citizens, and they don't tend to take long term views of their actions. If allowed to expand their power base, they will do so if they can. Regardless of who they have to kill to do it. And they keep power by subjugating their citizenry and often oppressing them and even abusing them.

Give them an opening, they'll take it. Just like Hitler did. And it's well known that if England and France had taken the invasion of Poland as seriously as they should have and poured it on Germany then, they would have easily stopped Hitler. Germany couldn't have held out for more than a few weeks at that point.

Instead, because they thought like you, we ended up with 6 million people killed in ovens and gas chambers and about 17 million killed overall.

Because that's what happens when you refuse to use force to stop the world's bad actors. They just get worse and do more bad stuff.

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If you love war so much, be sure you or someone you love is the first in the line of fire... or kindly STFU.


What a moronic thing to say. It really is on par with, "If you love making people sick so much, be sure you are the one administering the chemotherapy, or kindly STFU."

Nobody "loves" war. But some of us are mature enough to understand that sometimes it's necessary. Reasonable people can disagree about when it is or isn't necessary, but only children or childish adults think it's never warranted.
This post was edited on 3/16/26 at 8:30 am
Posted by Red Stick Rambler
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Member since Jun 2011
2651 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 8:24 am to
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every time we go to war neon this neon that.


Fun fact: Neon is classified as a noble gas.
This post was edited on 3/16/26 at 8:25 am
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/16/26 at 8:26 am to
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Explain to like I am 25 why all wars are wrong?
If you need this explained to you, you are a psychopath
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13501 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 8:29 am to
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the Middle East wars since 2001 are bankrupting our country. We now have $38 trillion in debt.


Nope.

Since 1940 we've spent (in inflation adjusted dollars) $14 Trillion on wars.

In the same time period (again, in inflation adjusted dollars) we've spent around $120 Trillion on SS/Medicare.

You want to know what's bankrupting the country, nothing else comes close.

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The Neocons in government lie to the American public as to the reasons for going to war. They want war at all costs. Their business is war and they make money off war. Wars are fought for money. They only benefit the 1% to the detriment to the 99%.


Populist nonsense predicated on the very popular notion among this group that two things can't be true at once. Smooth brain binary thinking.

Are there opportunists in both the public and private sector who make money off military conflict? Of course. Does that mean that every military intervention is a scam? Of course not.

You might as well refuse to have the operation your doctor tells you that you need because he and the hospital will make money from doing it. It's a childish conclusion.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13680 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 10:48 am to
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Explain to like I am 25 why all wars are wrong? Every war if it is perceived to be Trump's "war" gets boo’d in here
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38005 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 11:27 am to
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Because there are, like, so many things that need fixing here!

Well this part is certainly accurate.

But I will also not deny that, sometimes, fixing things abroad helps us to fix things at home a little easier. For example, I'm 100% in favor of a full-blown campaign against Cartels in the Mexican and Central-American theaters. They're right on our fricking doorstep and our Air Force and Marines could evaporate them permanently. The cartels are a very real problem, and a big one.
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
15398 posts
Posted on 3/16/26 at 11:29 am to
Do you have any family or friends that serve in the military?

Genuinely curious. Not trolling.
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