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re: Explain how we are in a power position if you don't have alternatives...

Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:04 am to
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:04 am to
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We (my company) are getting concessions on freight and production, the world economy depends on US shoppers.



This is what I expect to happen... Gov will start making exceptions once it's realized that it is really affecting a large amount of bottom lines of America companies.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130795 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:07 am to
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Explain how we are in a power position when you don't have alternatives...
Perhaps we should start by getting you to explain what you're referring to.

Products and Countries Which Are Exempted From Trump's Tariffs.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7122 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:07 am to
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This is what I expect to happen... Gov will start making exceptions once it's realized that it is really affecting a large amount of bottom lines of America companies.


You misunderstand. Chinese factories are purpose-built to supply the US market. They can’t exist without demand. They have no significant option. They will cave.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3828 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:14 am to
We're not in a power position. We gave it up gradually over decades and people thought we were doing fine because we consumed more than any other nation. People financially destroy themselves every day by living beyond their means and borrowing until they can't borrow any more. Countries do it too; borrow and/or print money until they ruin their currency. But we have ostensibly serious people who don't think it can happen to this country.

The logic, as I understand it, is that:

1) the US dollar is an all-powerful "Reserve Currency", and
2) We've been been borrowing and spending like drunken sailors for half a century and it's working just fine. (which is false, but these arguments aren't intended to work for everyone) and
3) The rest of the world needs us to buy their stuff using dollars which they can lend back to us so we can buy more of their stuff, so they can keep their jobs making more stuff for us to buy. If we attempt to sell as much stuff to them as we buy from them, then it becomes a threat to "the proper functioning of global finance", according to smart people like Mr. Macron. IOW, our role in global commerce is to borrow and consume now and hereafter, and there, apparently, is our position of power.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 9:34 am
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
1356 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:25 am to
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Maybe the consumer should just not buy something if it is not a necessity, and the price is too high. What a concept, huh? Rampant consumerism / easy credit is partially responsible for the mess we are in. Reign in your spending on things you don't need. Another way to do it is find other sources. Buy Brazilian coffee instead of Colombian. It costs less.


Excess entertainment alone would save the average American over 2000 a year.

The average spend is
Cable Satellite @125 a month
Streaming @ 60 a month

Americans are soft.
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3588 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:27 am to
Hey hey now... Don't be attacking my entertainment! LOL
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:29 am to
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But number 1 produces twice what we do.


You realize they have four times the population that we do, yeah?

quote:

That's a pretty large gap.


Given the difference in the numbers, it's about half as big as it should be.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
8222 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:36 am to
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Maybe the consumer should just not buy something if it is not a necessity, and the price is too high. What a concept, huh?


As long as you understand that when we're talking about tariffs we're not just talking about finished products being affected.

We're talking about lumber, steel, rubber, aluminum, graders, cranes and other large construction vehicles, factory equipment and parts, medical supplies and equipment, and probably a couple dozen other things I'm not thinking of off the top of my head.

Sure, you can forgo buying Made In China fake rubber dogshit gag gifts and an even larger HD television.

But these tariffs could potentially cause the price of housing to rise even higher, they could affect commercial rent, which will then make everything produced more expensive, as well as services provided, they could cause the price of medical care to go up, which could end up causing your insurance premiums to go up even if you don't need care.

This is a much bigeer deal than, "Well, don't buy it then."
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 9:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:38 am to
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Maybe the consumer should just not buy something if it is not a necessity


Ask 100 consumers, you'll get 90 different answers on what is "a necessity."

This is Bernie Sanders idea btw,

He thinks we have too many choices of toothpaste and Americans should just be happy with one or two.
Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
21013 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:51 am to
Power in position? How about access to a $30 Trillion economy? That’s not enough leverage huh?
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 11:43 am to
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So what's a company like Boeing, who replies on PPG, going to do?


Look around for a new supplier who isn't full of excuses as to why they can't deliver.

That is how it works in the purchasing industry.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 11:52 am to
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Ask 100 consumers, you'll get 90 different answers on what is "a necessity."

This is Bernie Sanders idea btw,

He thinks we have too many choices of toothpaste and Americans should just be happy with one or two.


Then it is up to each individual consumer to decide what is a necessity to them.

I know the things that are necessary for me. I will look for the best deals.

For things that I don't need, I can live without them if the prices go up to a level I'm not comfortable with.

This ain't hard.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 11:56 am to
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Then it is up to each individual consumer to decide what is a necessity to them.



Thats how America became great. Not by State Nannysim which MAGA completely supports.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
8316 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:01 pm to
The U S consumer base is powerful. Agreed. Trump is leveraging it. Do they have to foot the bill with less purchasing power so that exporters can compete?

Subsidizing the wages for US exporters to compete on price seems like a less destructive solution.
Posted by tigereye58
Member since Jan 2007
2744 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:16 pm to
I think what will be interesting is how the factories increase production capacity in the US. Many of these manufacturers operate in multiple country’s. The factories in the most favorable markets are at max capacity. So now the US factories will ramp up to max capacity and costs stay the same. The reason it works is because it’s wide spread so it forces everyone to respond or not respond to us. It’ll take some time to settle it out but in 90 days it’ll settle and we’ll be cruising.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
70582 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:21 pm to
We are a country people want to move to.
A economy countries want to be a part of.
We make goods few others do so well.
Countries want our protection.
Countries want into our markets.

Just a few.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 12:23 pm to
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Countries want into our markets.


Which provides mutual benefits.

Posted by riserlock
Member since Mar 2025
51 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 1:02 pm to
Not really. Trumps womanly wish washiness is now priced into the market
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
70582 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 1:15 pm to
Yes!
On a level playing field.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60880 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 1:18 pm to
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Explain how we are in a power position if you don't have alternatives...


We have alternatives, but not instant alternatives. And sadly, most Americans have been trained to get instant gratification.
Do you think it’s wise to have 90% of our antibiotics coming from China?
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