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re: Explain how ridding of the DOE will help children's learning
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:12 pm to BlueTiger23
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:12 pm to BlueTiger23
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If the cost to fund the K-12 education of a student would’ve stayed on the same trajectory as the $57,602 in 1970, we’d be spending over $400,000 per student (marked for inflation and economic growth).
You do realize that data you linked is already adjusted for inflation right? We weren’t spending $57000 in 1970, we were spending the equivalent of $57000 in 2013 dollars.
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:13 pm to tigerstripes
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Are you a teacher?
Nope. Never been anywhere close to an education career
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:13 pm to BlueTiger23
Oh, you could make change and at least have a conversation with a mofo back then - now - not so much.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:15 pm to East Coast Band
At the time the Department was created, the USA was at or near the top of world rankings for public education.
In just a few decades, our country has been passed by. Student performance is no longer the focus. Standards have been severely lowered, Schools suffer teacher shortages and low pay while the bureaucrats in DC eat up most of the tax money for salaries, studies, woke initiatives, and the states are left with very little.
For all the teachers who cry about money, their states will get to keep an average of $4.76 billion every year. That will pay for a few raises, and upgrades in schools.
The DOE wasn't needed, and it has become the engine that drives the anti=American sentiment we find so prevalent in our culture. I say let it go, and let the states figure out how to teach again.
In just a few decades, our country has been passed by. Student performance is no longer the focus. Standards have been severely lowered, Schools suffer teacher shortages and low pay while the bureaucrats in DC eat up most of the tax money for salaries, studies, woke initiatives, and the states are left with very little.
For all the teachers who cry about money, their states will get to keep an average of $4.76 billion every year. That will pay for a few raises, and upgrades in schools.
The DOE wasn't needed, and it has become the engine that drives the anti=American sentiment we find so prevalent in our culture. I say let it go, and let the states figure out how to teach again.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:15 pm to BlueTiger23
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You’d think we’d learn our lessons after we keep on making the same damn mistakes over and over and over again
This is the key sentence. What we've been doing hasn't been working, so let's try something different. Can you at least agree on that? You already said you aren't one of the "throw money at the problem" people.
Yes yes?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:16 pm to deeprig9
I don’t know how it’s going on Georgia, but public schools in Houston and Dallas have been under fire lately. The State of Texas is on record as trying to force the issue of school vouchers for Charter Schools.
Now this past year there have been several school closings in Dallas suburbs already, and for whatever reason, there have been suspicious changes in Houston public schools.
There was a protest recently at a Houston middle school after the principal, who had really made positive changes and was well regarded was unexpedtedly re-assigned.
Apparently they are upsetting parents at schools where they are performing and happy with the principal.
This is after the state decided to take over Houston ISD. It’s been pretty controversial. So is seems like they are trying to make the schools and under perform in order to achieve the goal.
Now this past year there have been several school closings in Dallas suburbs already, and for whatever reason, there have been suspicious changes in Houston public schools.
There was a protest recently at a Houston middle school after the principal, who had really made positive changes and was well regarded was unexpedtedly re-assigned.
Apparently they are upsetting parents at schools where they are performing and happy with the principal.
This is after the state decided to take over Houston ISD. It’s been pretty controversial. So is seems like they are trying to make the schools and under perform in order to achieve the goal.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:17 pm to RC
quote:well the performance metrics on that chart must be pretty accurate in his case
You do realize that data you linked is already adjusted for inflation right?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:18 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
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Preventing test scores from dropping is quite literally the DOE’s only job.
Or not. Like that’s not DOE’s job and never has been. That’s a state and local job.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:19 pm to BlueTiger23
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Social justice awareness isn’t indoctrination. We all learned about the civil war and slavery. We all learned about the civil rights movement, women’s suffrage, etc etc.
Of course it is.
"We learned about XYZ" leaves out exactly WHAT we learned about XYZ.
For example, what did you learn about women's suffrage? I'll bet you didn't learn the truth.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:19 pm to deeprig9
Mixture. Federal, state, and local. States and local make up around 80-85ish percent, fed is anywhere from 8-15 depending on where you look and what states. Federal government makes up a TON of deficients in funding especially for states such as Louisiana who don’t have the economic standing like a bigger state
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:19 pm to East Coast Band
The states can easily run the department. Public schools invest on average a little over $12,000 / student a year. Private schools are roughly the same on average. You can throw so much money at it and you’ll get the same results. Until parents in inner cities give a shite they will continue to fall behind. The DOE is a joke
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:21 pm to East Coast Band
There won’t be less money spent.
There just won’t be the Fed Govt getting in the middle of it.
Each state will spend the money as they see fit. More accountability at the state and local level.
DOE was well intentioned. But horribly executed.
There just won’t be the Fed Govt getting in the middle of it.
Each state will spend the money as they see fit. More accountability at the state and local level.
DOE was well intentioned. But horribly executed.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:21 pm to East Coast Band
We can stop trying to teach Climate Change and Sexual Orientation and finally start making sure kids can read and write.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:24 pm to BlueTiger23
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Mixture. Federal, state, and local. States and local make up around 80-85ish percent, fed is anywhere from 8-15 depending on where you look and what states. Federal government makes up a TON of deficients in funding especially for states such as Louisiana who don’t have the economic standing like a bigger state
How much "use it or lose it" financial policies do you think local muni's and fedgov affect the never-ending "we don't have enough money" narratives?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:26 pm to RC
You do realize that you can put 57,000 in an inflation calculator to get the exact buying power converted to 2010 (& 2013) as in the graph and it is closer to 400k than 160k-200k? I’ve done it in 4 inflation calculators atp. One being the one on the bureau of labor statistics. No
Way you seriously think that $57,000 in 1970 is the equivalent to $160,000 in 2010 or 2013?
Way you seriously think that $57,000 in 1970 is the equivalent to $160,000 in 2010 or 2013?
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:28 pm to wackatimesthree
Depends on which part of the “truth” you’re referring to? If we’re talk about middle and high school level, ofc it was maybe a little deeper than baseline versus college where it was a part of history papers
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:28 pm to East Coast Band
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Spending less money, etc is not helping the students.
We will spend less money, because all the DC crap wont be needed. Local govts will still receive funding that they can apply to defined needs. And it likely be more than they have been getting
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:30 pm to East Coast Band
My sweet summer child…
Bless your heart.
Bless your heart.
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:31 pm to deeprig9
Now that is a great question. Again, I am not saying that we should just continue going where we are going. I agree that we need change. My contention is how we go about it. I concur and understand the sentiments, and more importantly the frustrations of mismanagement. The potential of America is endless if/when we get it together
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:33 pm to BlueTiger23
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You do realize that you can put 57,000 in an inflation calculator to get the exact buying power converted to 2010 (& 2013) as in the graph and it is closer to 400k than 160k-200k? I’ve done it in 4 inflation calculators atp. One being the one on the bureau of labor statistics. No Way you seriously think that $57,000 in 1970 is the equivalent to $160,000 in 2010 or 2013?
You lack comprehension of what you are reading. So once again, the numbers are ALREADY adjusted for inflation. The number was never $57000 in 1970. It was probably close to $9000. They already adjusted the numbers so we can make a fair comparison.
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