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re: Explain how ridding of the DOE will help children's learning

Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42081 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:54 pm to
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you have to be careful how you say it


I don't see why.

As a society, we DO value entertainers more than intellectuals. What intellectual abilities do LeBron James and Cardi B have? Why are they multimillionaires?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:55 pm to
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But explain to me how ridding of the DOE will help the children.

You remove the funding, that has been used to twist the curriculum

Special Ed funds dictate discipline. And since your worst kids usually end up under that label, they become virtually untouchable. Because get this, the DOE says that impulse control is part of their condition. Therefore, they cant be disciplined for their erratic behavior

DOE controls zoning. They move programs around, so that low performing schools can "recruit" kids into magnet schools. So they can raise their scores. Your school has 19 kids that qualify as gifted? OK, send them downtown, rather than hire a teacher to serve them at home. Some will say, this is a local decision, but in almost every case it is driven by lack of money for teachers, or meeting DOE improvement goals

DOE controls funding. You have to meet their goals when applying for funds, rather than the needs more specific to your school community.

They suck up all the air in the room, because they fund so many unnecessary staff positions. Which in turn forces districts to follow narratives, rather than teach kids. Like the tranny bathroom issue. Which forces locals to use their funds to fight against the DOE army of employees. Yet again reducing the amount of funds for learning
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:55 pm to
Have you ever met a single person who was educated by the Department of Education?


Neither have I.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30942 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:55 pm to
Explain how getting rid of it will hurt education. There's zero evidence that it has helped.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:56 pm to
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If that graph doesn’t answer the OP’s question, nothing will

That graph doesn't answer my question of how will eliminating the DOE will help students.
Spending less money, etc is not helping the students. The graph shows me that the DOE hasn't helped too much with or without it.
I'm not advocating for keeping it, not at all.
I just wish I can be shown definitively where students will be better in the long run without it.

I'm just afraid too many local education boards, etc will start their on agendas, regrettably many will be pushing senseless justice type indoctrination.
Ridding of advanced courses for "equity". Even ridding of test scores.
Who is gonna push kids to get back to the 3Rs?
Who is gonna make the kids pass the coursework? And not just push all the kids through, regardless of any abilities?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73050 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:56 pm to
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Has the DOE benefitted the children? No. Our quality of education has fallen below the rest of the first world during the 46 years of it's existence.

Does spending $52 billion annually with ZERO result seem fiscally wise?



^^^^^^^ this
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:56 pm to
Dp
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 9:58 pm
Posted by BlueTiger23
Member since Dec 2020
450 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:58 pm to
LINK

If the cost to fund the K-12 education of a student would’ve stayed on the same trajectory as the $57,602 in 1970, we’d be spending over $400,000 per student (marked for inflation and economic growth). However, that same $164,426 that stands in 2010 translates to $30,000 in 1970. Our education funding is not keeping up. Posting graphs without context is how misinformation spreads. Don’t even have to spend $400,000 per student, but logically speaking, everything has gone up in price across education (beyond proportion I might add) except public school funding
Posted by Cleary Rebels
Member since Oct 2024
2899 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:59 pm to
I wouldn’t believe any media publication taking USAID money - I trust my own eyes at my local blue city high school and dealing with the general public. We are a nation of idiots.
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21888 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:59 pm to
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East Coast Band
US education ranking the year before the creation of the department of education, #1. It's fallen every year since
Posted by BlueTiger23
Member since Dec 2020
450 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:01 pm to
No it wasn’t lol yall took that Elon tweet to the head
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
26682 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:02 pm to
Billions to employ people who do nothing but set guidelines that the state could do themselves.

Send the money to the schools not Beaurucrats.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10462 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:04 pm to
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Who is gonna push kids to get back to the 3Rs?
Who is gonna make the kids pass the coursework?


Either their parents will or no one will.

And no matter how many government agencies you have or how much money you spend on education, that's the reality of it.

The truth of the matter is that past about sixth grade, school should be 80% online and self-directed. We're wasting billions hanging on to this antiquated system, primarily because the public schools are a taxpayer-funded babysitting service.

And yes, my undergraduate degree is in education.
Posted by tigerstripes
Loranger, LA
Member since Aug 2006
886 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:04 pm to
Are you a teacher?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73050 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:04 pm to
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If the cost to fund the K-12 education of a student would’ve stayed on the same trajectory as the $57,602 in 1970, we’d be spending over $400,000 per student (marked for inflation and economic growth). However, that same $164,426 that stands in 2010 translates to $30,000 in 1970. Our education funding is not keeping up. Posting graphs without context is how misinformation spreads. Don’t even have to spend $400,000 per student, but logically speaking, everything has gone up in price across education (beyond proportion I might add) except public school funding


Are you saying that government pouring more money into a school district translates into better grades?
Posted by BlueTiger23
Member since Dec 2020
450 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:06 pm to
That just further proves my point that we’ve never been number 1….
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
10858 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:07 pm to
Charter Schools = Profit
Posted by BlueTiger23
Member since Dec 2020
450 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:08 pm to
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Are you saying that government pouring more money into a school district translates into better grades?


Absolutely not! I am not a “just throw money at it” and the problem will be fixed person. As I said, the issue is more nuanced. Resources are definitely lacking especially in public schools. You mix that with societal issues and lack of accountability culture and we are here
Posted by BlueTiger23
Member since Dec 2020
450 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:11 pm to
Social justice awareness isn’t indoctrination. We all learned about the civil war and slavery. We all learned about the civil rights movement, women’s suffrage, etc etc. America legit is a tale of social justice from its inception. We should want to look at our past and learn so we don’t make similar mistakes and grow together. You’d think we’d learn our lessons after we keep on making the same damn mistakes over and over and over again
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
73050 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:12 pm to
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Absolutely not! I am not a “just throw money at it” and the problem will be fixed person. As I said, the issue is more nuanced. Resources are definitely lacking especially in public schools. You mix that with societal issues and lack of accountability culture and we are here


Who primarily funds and allocates public school money?
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