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Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:52 am to Indefatigable
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That the election is proceeding as expected. Merz will be chancellor in a coalition with SPD, Greens, and FDP.
AfD will be left out as the opposition.
This would be the absolute wrong move for any party that wants to be relevant past this election.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:52 am to Nosevens
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Well that’s about the opposite of what is happening
How so?
That’s exactly what is lining up to happen.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:52 am to imjustafatkid
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This would be the absolute wrong move for any party that wants to be relevant past this election.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:53 am to Indefatigable
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How so?
They don't understand what is going on and were emotionally primed for a big night with AFD and are being told this is some version of a travesty by online content creators.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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They don't understand what is going on and were emotionally primed for a big night with AFD and are being told this is some version of a travesty by online content creators.
This is a huge night for AFD and is a massive shift in German politics.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:55 am to imjustafatkid
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This is a huge night for AFD
In terms of symbolism/virtue signaling? Yes
In terms of governance? No
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and is a massive shift in German politics.
No
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Germany will continue to have to limit free speech to try and keep people from realizing what CDU said and what they are doing is different.
You can keep blaming the other side and lying to voters if you can control the news machine.
It’s now getting harder and harder to control the news as print media dies and know one trust mass legacy media as it has its death rattle. Also if USaid funding is cut off then it’s even harder to control the news.
The other issue is when you import third world savages people can see results with their own two eyes.
So yes CDU can be rinos but this isn’t 1990 or early 2000 anymore.
Now let’s say the left win the next election here for some reason, then AFD is really fricked or it’s going to turn to real violence in the streets if things get bad enough.
You can keep blaming the other side and lying to voters if you can control the news machine.
It’s now getting harder and harder to control the news as print media dies and know one trust mass legacy media as it has its death rattle. Also if USaid funding is cut off then it’s even harder to control the news.
The other issue is when you import third world savages people can see results with their own two eyes.
So yes CDU can be rinos but this isn’t 1990 or early 2000 anymore.
Now let’s say the left win the next election here for some reason, then AFD is really fricked or it’s going to turn to real violence in the streets if things get bad enough.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:02 pm to TDTOM
It means the disease has spread and Germany and America will likely launch world war 3 with the next 20 years to begin the Fourth Reich.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm pretty sure EVERYONE will refuse to work with AfD.
There are right wing people in CDU who will.
But yes, CDU is the most rightward party short of the AfD.
Everyone not CDU is boycotting them.
But that doesnt prevent CDU from using the AfD votes to pass what they want.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:04 pm to hawgfaninc
Can someone explain this like I am five?
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:05 pm to stout
quote:just like in France
Germany just voted for change….
Instead, they will get more of the same.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:07 pm to SG_Geaux
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Can someone explain this like I am five?
Simplified explanation of Parliamentary systems
People vote for a party, not a person (there are technicalities I'm ignoring for this simplified explanation).
This system, unlike our single member district system, allows a wider range of parties to get support in the election.
There is almost never a party that gets 50% of the vote.
Various parties align to form coalitions of over 50% of the vote.
So AfD can do well, and they will be left out of the government.
Same thing happens every time with LePen's party in France.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:09 pm to Narax
CDU plus AFD would control the gov but CDU would rather work with the left. It could get more interesting if a split develops inside CDU.
The real answer to a lot of this is creating an east and west Germany. Same in a lot of countries, the left can have their immigrants and economy they like and the rest of the country could have its. The left never wants this solution though.
The real answer to a lot of this is creating an east and west Germany. Same in a lot of countries, the left can have their immigrants and economy they like and the rest of the country could have its. The left never wants this solution though.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
It is actually a massive shift in German politics. Germany is in trouble financially and socially. The reality is without radical policy changes the economy will only get worse. Like the Afd or not they offer a complete 180 in policy change. If things don’t change dramatically in German people will be looking for a complete change next cycle. And locking the Afd out will only mean the continued left based policies that have literally left the Germans in the cold.
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:11 pm to Big4SALTbro
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its. The left never wants this solution though.
The left doesn’t like the opposition having the option to GTFO, as it means they lose resources.
Same reason EBR Parish School Board hates Zachary and Central, who are able to succeed, and helps support politicians who want to put massive amounts of low cost housing in those districts to kill the school systems.
They see poisoning the opposition as better than improving their own shitty system.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:20 pm to Deplorableinohio
The US is a far right nation compared to the rest of the world (Except Poland).
Our Democrats are between the Tories and Labout, between CDU and the socialists.
Our Republicans are UKIP and AfD in Policy.
Our economy doubled since the 2008 recession.
Europe's went up 25%
Our Democrats are between the Tories and Labout, between CDU and the socialists.
Our Republicans are UKIP and AfD in Policy.
Our economy doubled since the 2008 recession.
Europe's went up 25%
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In terms of governance? No
That's not true, those 142 votes the AfD has are powerful.
The temptation for CDU to put something to a vote knowing it will pass due to having a majority is different.
It's what's happening in France.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:29 pm to Big4SALTbro
quote:Is that even possible? Europe perfected the RINO type long ago. Like the Tories in GBR, it's just a slow walk off the cliff instead of a sprint.
It could get more interesting if a split develops inside CDU.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:29 pm to Jellyham
Two big things:
1. AfD doubles their prevuous vote
2. Communists more than doubled their vote
But, the Communists are now split between 2 parties and one of them might not cross the 5% threshold to ender the Bundestag.
If they do, and if another party - the FDP - passes the 5% threshold then it will be very hard to form a government. If you are an AfD supporter I believe you want these parties to reach that 5%. Not because it means the party will be part of the government but because it will show the disfunction of ignoring the party at all costs.
1. AfD doubles their prevuous vote
2. Communists more than doubled their vote
But, the Communists are now split between 2 parties and one of them might not cross the 5% threshold to ender the Bundestag.
If they do, and if another party - the FDP - passes the 5% threshold then it will be very hard to form a government. If you are an AfD supporter I believe you want these parties to reach that 5%. Not because it means the party will be part of the government but because it will show the disfunction of ignoring the party at all costs.
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