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re: Excellent article in The Federalist: "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives"
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:11 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:11 am to NC_Tigah
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No. He 100% assuredly is not a chick.
No, but I'd put good money his primary influence is.
His language is right out of Vox or Slate.
He's not dumb, his wishy washiness is related to his ability to be influenced fairly easily.
We sell out for something.. Women or money.
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Well, that is the danger. For every action ...
What I see here is people not having confidence in their own ideologies and thinking the only way to implement is through collective power.
E.g., You weaponize the FBI against me ... well, turnabout is fair play. Now it's my turn! BOHIC baby!
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:16 am to HailToTheChiz
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Or Constitutionalists
I wish I could upvote this a million times...well done, sir!
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:21 am to RCDfan1950
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he Collective is always the driving force behind the prevailing Culture,
this is correct, but that's how society is moved, and its usually the wrong way.
The problem with culture is when people try to codify it through authoritarian measures which restrict individual excellence. The Successful leaders of a collective are the ones who want power, not the ones who want to solve.
"Groups" steal your sovereignty.
Groups are toxic and destructive, and an enemy to whom we are.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:22 am to Piney Flats
this is all correct. the right has no future in pandering to "moderates" and "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" voters. it is time to purge the libertines and embrace some nationalism & social conservatism.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nope. Passed the House 357-66, and the Senate 98-1.
I mean within the last 20 years the right passed the Patriot Act
quote:Nope again. Unless you want to make the argument that Jerry “the penguin” Nadler is a right winger using emotional right-authoritarian talking points.
its progeny and has refused to rescind it, so let's not pretend this power is being wielded by one side because people are fostering emotional thinking via talking points from a right-authoritarian intelligentsia.
quote:The Patriot act has always enjoyed wide bi-partisan support.
On March 10, 2020, Jerry Nadler proposed a bill to reauthorize the Patriot Act, and it was then approved by the majority of US House of Representatives after 152 Democrats joined the GOP in supporting the extension.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 8:29 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What I see here is people not having confidence in their own ideologies and thinking the only way to implement is through collective power.
You don't beat communists by asking them nicely to stop.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:25 am to VADawg
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You don't beat communists by asking them nicely to stop.
I do it firmly, they're pussies.
You can't govern them, you have to separate from them.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:34 am to Taxing Authority
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I mean within the last 20 years the right passed the Patriot Act
Nope. Passed the House 357-66, and the Senate 98-1.
Correct. Those blaming it solely on the right are ... well..
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:45 am to Taxing Authority
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The Patriot act has always enjoyed wide bi-partisan support.
Right. The only ones who didn't support it were libertarian leaning people and the far left.
Most mainstream people supported it, but I don't think most realized what it all entailed. Like most laws, too much shite is hidden.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:And let’s not forget that it is Left political
Correct. Those blaming it solely on the right are ... well..
operatives that are abusing the patriot act and FISA to spy on presidential candidates and threatening “domestic terrorists”, who are really just their political opposition, that dire things like show up at school board meetings.
But yes ah, be skeeered if those christians. So skeery.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
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You reference "right-authoritarianism."
"Right-authoritarianism" is a curious term.
This thread is about that very concept
I used the vague "right-authoritarianism" because people were getting upset that I used the labels proposed in this thread (like christian nationalism)
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On a 2D left-right progressing scale, with Communism at the far left, what comprises the far right?
Fascism, another label proposed in this thread.
It's all authoritarian to me, but this thread is based around promoting right-authoritarianism
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're both just obsessed with finding and amplifying examples of the "other" to feed this emotional thinking.
I can “find” them simply by paying attention to current events, and there’s no need to amplify them. If you think recognizing the current abuse of power by the left is the REAL issue in this country then you’re an idiot.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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it is also the case that to do so on a scale sufficient to save our country will require political power — and the willingness to use it.
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Put bluntly, if conservatives want to save the country they are going to have to rebuild and in a sense re-found it, and that means getting used to the idea of wielding power, not despising it.
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Why? Because accommodation or compromise with the left is impossible.
I mean, I guess I reject the notion that all of this (and anyone who might believe any of it could be necessary) necessarily constitutes "authoritarianism." I don't believe every instance of "wielding political power" is "authoritarian."
Here's the definition I find:
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au·thor·i·tar·i·an·ism
/ô?THäri'tere?niz?m/
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noun
the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
The bolded is the key distinction. Who is suggesting they want to do what they want to do from a conservative perspective at the expense of personal freedom and how?
Muh blue laws?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:54 am to Y.A. Tittle
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The bolded is the key distinction. Who is suggesting they want to do what they want to do from a conservative perspective at the expense of personal freedom and how?
Muh blue laws?
Did you not see the part about expanding criminal laws to punish political opponents?
And what is this power going to be used for in this discussion outside of restricting opponents in terms of behavior/rights? What do you think this power is for?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did you not see the part about expanding criminal laws to punish political opponents?
You mean what they're saying about the tranny shite?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:03 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Muh blue laws?
While ridiculous, they're pretty benign today. Nothing compared to the desire to suppress free speech from the left.
The constitution is a serious problem for progressives who prefer a Democracy, where the majority can kill the minority and it be legal.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:This thread is about using the left's game against the left. Going authoritarian does not qualify it as rightward on the political spectrum. If you believe it does, I'll ask again, where does Anarcho-Libertarianism fall on that same scale?quote:This thread is about that very concept
You reference "right-authoritarianism."
"Right-authoritarianism" is a curious term.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:40 pm to burger bearcat
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A nice little artifact, maybe they can break it out next time Lizzo is in DC and let her twerk with it between her fat arse.
I'm not sure I'd be surprised if that actually happens.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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This thread is about using the left's game against the left.
The perception is that "the left's game" is authoritarianism.
So not the right should abandon traditional conservatism for "something else" (authoritarianism)
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Going authoritarian does not qualify it as rightward on the political spectrum.
No, going authoritarian for the goals of the right makes it something. This thread is about the label for that movement. I used Christian Nationalist because it was suggested by others as a label and people flipped out. I used fascism (again, suggested by others) and people flipped out. So I just used a generic "right-authoritarian" instead of a label.
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If you believe it does, I'll ask again, where does Anarcho-Libertarianism fall on that same scale?
If you're getting that detailed, you need more than a single axis. You need at least 2.
The traditional view of right-authoritarianism is the top-right of the political compass and anarcho-libertarianism is the bottom-right (While left-authoritarianism is top-left).
Here's a political compass meme that I hope explains it.
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