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re: Excellent article in The Federalist: "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives"
Posted on 10/22/22 at 2:09 pm to 3nOut
Posted on 10/22/22 at 2:09 pm to 3nOut
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I’m in favor of him, but that’s what rolling back the government gets labeled as.
I'm fine with that. I imagine he is too.
Worrying about Soy Boy handwringing isn't getting the "Right" anywhere either. We give them waaaay too much power.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 2:12 pm
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Posted on 10/22/22 at 3:26 pm to Flats
quote:So too is pedophilia by that standard.
That's an opinion based on your moral values.
quote:Again, the distinction is CONSENTING ADULTS. You start involving or exposing folks who are not consenting by whatever standard, and it's a different paradigm. You can ridicule rationale for nonconsent all you want. But it is what it is.
When you say something like "Both Cons and NeoCons are quite happy to inject themselves into the lives of others."
Unless you're of the opinion kids are on par with consenting adults, the element of children in the mix is simply a nonstarter.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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So too is pedophilia by that standard.
Yes, it is. So what? Pretty much ALL laws, if you drill down deep enough, are the majority forcing or prohibiting a behavior based on their value system.
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Again, the distinction is CONSENTING ADULTS. You start involving or exposing folks who are not consenting by whatever standard, and it's a different paradigm.
I don't want to see fat women in yoga pants at the park, but we don't have a law against that. I don't want to see people having an orgy at the park, and we DO have laws against that. I'm not "consenting" in either situation to view something. What's the difference? Our moral values.
A lot of Muslim men screw young boys. That's prohibited here, but not there. The difference? Our moral values. You want to use the power of the state to enforce certain aspects of your morality just like everybody else. When the majority agrees with you we get laws you agree with like those prohibiting public orgies, when the majority doesn't agree with you we get laws you don't agree with, like Blue Laws.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We all do, but this system will probably not exist in 20 years, so...
Imagine criticizing using laws to defer apocalypse then trying to stand on principle to criticize that lawmaking.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:29 pm to Penrod
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You couldn’t get this one post right, and you think you should have written an entire article? The only article you should be writing is “the”!
Sorry, didn’t know I needed to use proper grammar on the tigerdroppings
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:32 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Imagine criticizing using laws to defer apocalypse
Your laws don't work. If they did, we wouldn't be here.
Culture isnt changed by legislation, the Progressive revolution came through pop culture and social media
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 7:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Culture isnt changed by legislation, the Progressive revolution came through pop culture and social media
I disagree. The welfare state has definitely changed the culture. Without it, we wouldn’t have 90% of the issues we have today because reality would hold people accountable.
Without ridiculous business regulation and minimum wages, we’d have a robust culture of ground up small businesses in lower class areas.
Laws definitely change the culture.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your laws don't work.
Correct, they defer apocalypse which you believe is imminent .
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Culture isnt changed by legislation, the Progressive revolution came through pop culture and social media
Our culture is trash and eroding further every day.
So to protect your kids , violence or laws?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:28 pm to Flats
quote:Okay. You're not a stupid person, but you want to play one on the internet tonight.quote:Yes, it is. So what?
So too is pedophilia by that standard.
I'll leave you to play with yourself.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Oh I get it. When someone equates elimination of blue laws as somehow on par with elimination of laws criminalizing child sex, it's fairly demonstrative.
Not to the "not conservatives"
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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I’m a constitutionalist
The Constitution was supposed to control the size of the government.
It failed and it failed tremendously.
Where was the Constitution when BOTH red and blue state governors shite all over your right to peacefully assemble in 2020?
Now what?
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 9:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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Okay. You're not a stupid person, but you want to play one on the internet tonight.
I didn't think you were, but you've obviously never given this entire topic much thought. Not a single thing I've said is irrational or illogical and can be found in pretty much any serious debate on the topic. You're not interested in a serious debate; that's fine.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:09 pm to Masterag
quote:”Need?” Of course not.
didn’t know I needed to use proper grammar on the tigerdroppings
But I am sure that I am not alone in giving less credence to analysis of complex topics from someone who cannot manage simple subject/verb agreement.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Your laws don't work. If they did, we wouldn't be here.
This is another example of trying to paint an analog issue as digital. We have laws against rape, rapes still happen, therefore laws against rape don’t work. Is your unspoken implication that we shouldn’t have laws because people will just break them?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 5:56 am to Flats
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This is another example of trying to paint an analog issue as digital. We have laws against rape, rapes still happen, therefore laws against rape don’t work. Is your unspoken implication that we shouldn’t have laws because people will just break them?
That is exactly what libertarians are arguing which is why they can't be depended on. They're leftists.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 6:54 am to Flats
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This is another example of trying to paint an analog issue as digital.
Wrong.
Its another case of Authoritarians not realizing the underground or black market covers all the shite they outlaw.
Y'all haven't learned shite from the progressives. You want to be just like them, you'll get similar results.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 6:56 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 6:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its another case of Authoritarians not realizing the underground or black market covers all the shite they outlaw.
The government is being rewarded right now for allowing drugs to perpetuate while illegal. Even a libertarian should recognize the result of rewarding bad behavior. Take away the government's incentive (which you should hypothetically back as a libertarian) and they will go back to enforcement and it goes away. Or is at least minimized. Pretending the rampant drugs is solely a result of outlawing them is silly, But what do you expect from utopian idealists?
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 7:00 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 7:27 am to squid_hunt
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They're leftists.
Again, turning into the Left
Posted on 10/23/22 at 7:30 am to squid_hunt
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Take away the government's incentive (which you should hypothetically back as a libertarian) and they will go back to enforcement and it goes away.
wa wa wa wa wa wait
You're using too many pronouns with too many concepts.
"it goes away"...what goes away?
Is the government's incentive the laws on the books?
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Pretending the rampant drugs is solely a result of outlawing them is silly,
Drug use and laws have no real causal link. The opiate epidemic should have taught you that. Millions of people found major addiction via legal drugs.
Drugs are a function of psychological-social problems.
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 7:31 am
Posted on 10/23/22 at 7:30 am to Flats
quote:Okay, as that is not true, I'll try one last time.
Not a single thing I've said is irrational or illogical
• Rape involves two people, one of whom is make a decision to undertake an action. The other refuses consent or is incapable of giving it.
• Abortion of a viable fetus involves two humans, one of whom is making a decision to undertake an action. The other is incapable of consent.
• A transaction to purchase a fifth of Johnny Walker Blue involves two consenting adults, one of whom is making a decision to buy alcohol. The other is making a decision to sell alcohol.
You're asserting those three points on a progressive spectrum are differences without distinction in terms of need for legal protections. As an assertion, it is neither rational, nor logical. E.g., Obviously, in the third instance involving two consenting adults, neither wants, nor needs protection.
We could talk further about seatbelt or motorcycle helmet laws vs surfing in sharky waters or skydiving or plastic surgery where an adult chooses to undertake potentially self-endangering action. He neither wants nor needs protection. Yet, with seatbelts/helmets the government intrudes nonetheless.
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