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Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:54 am to CelticDog
No, the issue is with foreign governments
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:57 am to xiv
Psst, then explain why most liberals are against the border wall?
My daughter's 8th grade liberal arts teacher went off on her students this week for 15 minutes about her distain for Donald Trump the administration and how awful it is to talk about a border wall when women and children are in need.
My daughter's 8th grade liberal arts teacher went off on her students this week for 15 minutes about her distain for Donald Trump the administration and how awful it is to talk about a border wall when women and children are in need.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:03 am to ApexTiger
quote:Don’t care about your life, sorry.
My daughter's 8th grade
quote:Simple: because they don’t think we should be keeping immigrants out. The problem some think that immigrants are, most liberals don’t perceive as a problem. Some conservatives actually agree with them.
then explain why most liberals are against the border wall?
Isn’t unemployment down? That means we have a great job market. Instead of expending energy keeping immigrants out (a net loss), why not relax, let more in, and find them work so that our economy can even further expand?
Put on your thinking cap and take off your feeling dress.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 10:04 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:08 am to xiv
quote:
keeping immigrants out.
Lol.. Another pretend conservative.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:08 am to xiv
quote:
because they don’t think we should be keeping immigrants out.
Why do you people who defend immigrants always leave out that one important adjective - illegal. You do realize there is a difference?
Maybe you should replace your thinking cap with a comprehension cap.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:30 am to geaux88
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:33 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:True for livestock, but few dogs are big enough for this to be a factor.quote:Not if the fence is on the outside of the pole it isn't. It might look pretty on the outside but it defeats the purpose of keeping the dog in. Think about it.
My fence is to keep my dog in, dumbass.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:34 am to ApexTiger
Border wall is a colossal waste of time and money.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:37 am to xiv
XIV, are you being smug or willfully ignorant?
We're talking respecting laws, borders and private / public owned land.
We take 1 million immigrants each year under immigration process. (Documented)
Turning blind eye to Illegal immigration for possible short term economic benefits do not jive with our values
We're talking respecting laws, borders and private / public owned land.
We take 1 million immigrants each year under immigration process. (Documented)
Turning blind eye to Illegal immigration for possible short term economic benefits do not jive with our values
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:39 am to CelticDog
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I maintain the most effective plan has to involve employers.
While I agree for the most part, there is another new caveat to the crossing. Sanctuary cities. That is the wrinkle in the illegal immigration enticement.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:42 am to CelticDog
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Will someone please explain who is employing 12 million illegals??
I maintain the most effective plan has to involve employers.
If you make it a felony for mgr to hire one for your Corp or partnership no one would hire them.
This is the correct answer. A wall is a colossal waste of money because it does not address the actual issue. This is about American labor law. We need to have enforced labor laws which impose serious penalties for the undercutting of American wages through the hiring of lower cost undocumented labor. This entire issue is about not wanting to pay the cost of paying legal wages.
Within that system we can allow controlled numbers of foreign workers to fill jobs to address actual shortage.
But I just read today about a raid on a plant where they took over a hundred undocumented skilled welders. Those are precisely the kinds of jobs for which hiring undocumented workers harms our communities here. We need to train people who are already here to perform these skills.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:42 am to xiv
quote:
Isn’t unemployment down? That means we have a great job market. Instead of expending energy keeping immigrants out (a net loss), why not relax, let more in, and find them work so that our economy can even further expand?
That artificially depresses wages and impacts the poor community. You don't just let people in unchecked. We have a work VISA program for a reason. Just letting whoever in is stupidity at it's finest.
quote:
Put on your thinking cap and take off your feeling dress.
I'd say the same to you.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:44 am to TBoy
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This is about American labor law
And about keeping our population safe. If you make sanctuary cities a federal crime, require voter ID, and tighten up on labor laws, then yes, you have a starting point. But you'll still need men at the border (ICE, Border Patrol) to detain and send back illegals. Something tells me you wouldn't be for this though.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:49 am to BugAC
quote:I have always wondered whether “sanctuary cities” are a matter of any statistical importance.
there is another new caveat to the crossing. Sanctuary cities. That is the wrinkle in the illegal immigration enticement.
Historically, what percentage of deportees were turned-over to the Feds by local LEO departments? Has that percentage changed significantly, with the rise of this movement.
My guess is that they are little more than rhetoric and have little (if any) statistical significance.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:51 am to BugAC
quote:
If you make sanctuary cities a federal crime, require voter ID, and tighten up on labor laws, then yes, you have a starting point. But you'll still need men at the border (ICE, Border Patrol) to detain and send back illegals. Something tells me you wouldn't be for this though.
You would be mistaken. We have a legitimate need for border control, which is appropriate. But we have a different approach to what would be most effective to control undocumented migration.
I don't think we will ever control undocumented migration if our primary focus is to try to catch every undocumented migrant in this country. If the economic incentive for sneaking in continues to be present, every person you detain and deport will be replaced by another migrant worker.
American employers make more profit by hiring undocumented workers and paying below market wages. These American employers are the ones keeping the flow of undocumented migrant workers going. These American employers are the ones refusing to invest in training local legal residents because they can make more money filling the shop with undocumented foreign welders.
You have to address the actual engine driving this issue. If you don't you are just facilitating a couple of shift changes.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:52 am to BayouBlitz
quote:you are keeping your dog in a cage, you monster
My fence is to keep my dog in, dumbass
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:53 am to TBoy
quote:It goes far deeper. Wages are artificially inflated by the “social safety net,” which works to discourage employment among the class of native workers who would otherwise compete with immigrant labor.
This is the correct answer. A wall is a colossal waste of money because it does not address the actual issue. This is about American labor law. We need to have enforced labor laws which impose serious penalties for the undercutting of American wages through the hiring of lower cost undocumented labor. This entire issue is about not wanting to pay the cost of paying legal wages.
In a free labor market and absent the “safety net,” low-end wages would be below current levels, and there would be less incentive for migrants to come to this country seeking work.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:56 am to TBoy
quote:
A wall is a colossal waste of money because it does not address the actual issue.
Correct. The actual issues being the War on Drugs, our Welfare State, and how difficult we've made it for laborers to legally come here.
quote:
We need to have enforced labor laws which impose serious penalties for the undercutting of American wages through the hiring of lower cost undocumented labor.
Uh, no. Actually, we need to do the opposite.
quote:
Within that system we can allow controlled numbers of foreign workers to fill jobs to address actual shortage.
You are counting on the gov't to control the labor market?
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We need to train people who are already here to perform these skills.
You don't understand economics at all do you?
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:57 am to BugAC
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If you make sanctuary cities a federal crime, require voter ID
And this has absolutely nothing to do with voting. Undocumented migrants do not vote. Also, the "sanctuary city" silliness arose solely from an attempt by the feds to require local governments to bear the cost of arresting and detaining undocumented migrants. Some local governments have simply said that they don't want to spend local tax dollars performing federal immigration functions. It doesn't affect anything.
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