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Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:12 am to crewdepoo
I will tell you something that is even more harmful to Humans. Freezing to death.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:13 am to RCDfan1950
Lofty visual image that you painted, mate 
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:13 am to Ralph_Wiggum
Now you are okay with pipelines? What about the animals who would be impacted?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:16 am to Zach
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At about minus 20 Fahrenheit — a fairly regular occurrence here in winter — smoke that goes up comes right back down, to linger at ground level and, therefore, lung level.
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For six consecutive days in mid-December, the air here was declared “unhealthy,” for high particulate content
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...the Clean Air Act, passed by Congress in 1970, requires a standard of breathable air for all Americans. The E.P.A. was given the job of enforcing that standard.
Looks like they are enforcing a law that has been on the books for 46 years.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:20 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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There have been stories on this in the New York Times. Wood puts particles in the air and the nature of winter with temperature inversions means that the smoke and particles don't just harmlessly dissipate in the larger atmosphere. People are breathing in smoke and other particles which has been shown to be bad to your health.
Sure if the atmosphere at winter was such that the air could just blow away there would be no problem. It's like forms a smog in the winter that gets trapped in valleys.
Holy shite!
You knuckledraggers are such troglodytes that you would freeze to death in any cold climate at any point in the history of the planet pre-electricity for fear of the scary wood-eating red flower.
Are you aware that people have been burning wood for warmth in frosty climes for literally hundreds of thousands of years?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:24 am to SouthernHog
Well, not ALL government - but this bloated monstrosity we are currently saddled with needs to be whittled down quite a bit.
Hell, I've had it with the EPA since they took away that wonderful high-pitched whine and amazing power band of the 2 stroke dirt bike.
Hell, I've had it with the EPA since they took away that wonderful high-pitched whine and amazing power band of the 2 stroke dirt bike.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:26 am to ManBearTiger
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Are you aware that people have been burning wood for warmth in frosty climes for literally hundreds of thousands of years?
People did not live as close together 100,000 years ago as they do now.
Are you aware that chronic inhalation of smoke from a wood fire can cause severe health problems?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:27 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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There are towns in valleys where you do have the population density and population density is not an issue. Wether you have one or 1000 people they are still breathing bad air. A town of 1,000 people in the valley under the temperature inversions in the winter will be breathing polluted air which causes health problems and increases the health care costs via premiums or taxes for everyone. It's cheaper to breath clear air for the whole.
If every individual in every town burned wood non stop for a month in any given Alaskan town it would not even approach the "particulates" per person released by cars, plants, businesses, and homes in any mid-sized northeast city. Maybe Detroit, Chicago, new York, boston, etc should be given orders to forego electric heat during the winters.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:29 am to TaekwondoJesus
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Are you aware that chronic inhalation of smoke from a wood fire can cause severe health problems?
Are you aware that freezing to death can also cause severe health problems?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:29 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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There are other forms of heat. Natural gas, propane and electrical which do not hurt the air quality as bad. But there's only one source of air to breath unlike energy sources.
How do you think fifty fires in an Alaskan village stacks up particulate/person to literally any operating electrical power plant? Do you think electricity is magic?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:32 am to Zach
If I lived in Alaska I would want to stop everyone from moving to the state and ruining it for the locals.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:32 am to ManBearTiger
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If every individual in every town burned wood non stop for a month in any given Alaskan town it would not even approach the "particulates" per person released by cars, plants, businesses, and homes in any mid-sized northeast city. Maybe Detroit, Chicago, new York, boston, etc should be given orders to forego electric heat during the winters.
How often does it drop to 20 below Farenheit in Detroit?!?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:33 am to ManBearTiger
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How do you think fifty fires in an Alaskan village stacks up particulate/person to literally any operating electrical power plant?
Are you paying attention at all?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:35 am to crewdepoo
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My point is that you, the op, and the bs article claim it's the EPA doing this when it states the local gov as the ones threatening fines.
Are you saying that the state and local govts thought of this on their own without threats from the EPA? You can't be that naive. OK, maybe you can.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:35 am to crewdepoo
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My point is that you, the op, and the bs article claim it's the EPA doing this when it states the local gov as the ones threatening fines.
And why would the state and local government fine it's residents, unless the alternative was worse?
The EPA is threatening to withhold federal moneys if those towns aren't in compliance. The towns aren't considering fines because they are concerned about the smoke in the air.
I have a question. Is there a heath epidemic in these areas related to this issue?
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:37 am to TaekwondoJesus
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People did not live as close together 100,000 years ago as they do now.
Wrong again. Cold climate dwelling people have always lived in closer clusters. Closer certainly than modern car-driving Alaskans. Get a clue chode.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:38 am to TaekwondoJesus
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Looks like they are enforcing a law that has been on the books for 46 years.
The EPA has changed the standards for everything that is "OK" 100s of times over the last 46 years. They always make it more stringent. Kind of like MADD demanding BAC tests of .10; then .08; now... .06
But maybe you can find a study from the EPA listing increased lung cancer disease among Alaskans due to particulates.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:39 am to TaekwondoJesus
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How often does it drop to 20 below Farenheit in Detroit?!?
You dumbshit, that idiotic thought only bolsters my point and completely invalidates yours.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:39 am to TaekwondoJesus
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People did not live as close together 100,000 years ago as they do now.
People in Alaska do not live close together.
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