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Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:27 am to UtahCajun
quote:I agree. The big difference between the current wave of immigrants in the UK and prior immigration waves is the motivation for coming, specifically, the level of welfare benefits. The Windrush migrants in the UK, for example, were invited by the British government because of labor shortages after WWII. Many received temporary housing in hostels or old military barracks but were not put up in long term hotels and given lavish benefits. The 'low IQ' point holds in that prior immigration waves essentially required the immigrants to be able to support themselves very quickly, which likely weeded a lot of undesirables out of the pool, and also encouraged assimilation.
In the scheme of history, it actually is.
The current model basically encourages anyone to come, whether they can support themselves or not, and gives them benefits and housing indefinitely, preferential treatment by the police, and allows for plenty of time to mill about essentially doing nothing. It's not clear how this benefits the larger society in Britain.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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What does the EU have to do with anything related to the UK, then?
It’s right there in the post. Read it, or have someone read it to you.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Either you think the leadership made that determination or that they should have cheater harder to overcome the will of the people. Which is it?
If the WEF/NWO was that strong, the UK never leaves the EU
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:32 am to OccamsStubble
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It’s right there in the post.
And it makes no sense, as I'm proving.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:33 am to coolpapaboze
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The current model basically encourages anyone to come, whether they can support themselves or not, and gives them benefits and housing indefinitely, preferential treatment by the police, and allows for plenty of time to mill about essentially doing nothing. It's not clear how this benefits the larger society in Britain
Are you talking about tUK or tUSA?
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:33 am to RoyalWe
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Either you think the leadership made that determination or that they should have cheater harder to overcome the will of the people. Which is it?
What a false choice.
If the WEF/NWO was that strong, the UK never leaves the EU.
Your own arguments display the ineptness of this grand boogeyman you're trying to create, and your response above shows you have no logical response when this is pointed out.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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What does the EU have to do with anything related to the UK, then?
But Starmer is mumbling about closer ties to the EU. If he could get them in, he would. Not sure if they can do another referendum to get them in.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:35 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Not sure if they can do another referendum to get them in.
If the WEF (or whatever "globalist" boogeyman du jour) was as powerful as has been claimed, this would be rather simple.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You're dodging the distinction.
What a false choice.
Brexit proves the voters were still capable of overruling the governing class. It does not prove the governing class accepted that decision or stopped preferring closer EU alignment.
The UK leaving the EU is not a rebuttal to the point. It is the reason many of these people are still angry. Since then, the argument has shifted from open membership to "reset," regulatory alignment, migration policy, human-rights constraints, and closer institutional ties.
So no, "the UK left the EU" does not answer the criticism. It just proves that the public won one round.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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You need to decide what you're arguing. You have gone back on your former attempt at a point.
1) Mass migrations always lead to next to total disappearance of who was there before.
2) Mass migrations usually take about a 1/2 century to a century to complete.
3) 25 years = not long ago. It is recent memory and part of the current mass migration trend.
There is no point to see. Just truth.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:43 am to RoyalWe
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You're dodging the distinction.
Everyone should point out logical fallacies and avoid participating in them.
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Brexit proves the voters were still capable of overruling the governing class.
None of this is relevant if the WEF/NWO boogeyman is as powerful as they have to be for your conspiracy theories.
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Since then, the argument has shifted from open membership to "reset," regulatory alignment, migration policy, human-rights constraints, and closer institutional ties.
Well yeah the UK can't exist as a first world country without robust trade and interaction with Europe. This is just basic international economic and political policy, not a nefarious conspiracy.
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So no, "the UK left the EU" does not answer the criticism.
Now you're trying to dishonestly shift arguments by conflating 2 different discsusions.
Like your logical fallacy, it's important to point this out to display its lack of merit.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:46 am to UtahCajun
quote:I was talking about the UK, but it really applies to both. The changes in immigration are basically the same.
Are you talking about tUK or tUSA?
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
You've hijacked another thread and taking it completely off course.
Again, what is the long game by creating a society dominated by parasites that are intent on killing off the productive? Free everything is fool's gold. It simply unsustainable. What is the purpose of being king if everyone beneath you expects you to fulfill their every want? Who grows the food or builds infrastructure? Who protects you when you leave your castle?
Appears to me we are chasing dystopia not utopia by general definitions.
Again, what is the long game by creating a society dominated by parasites that are intent on killing off the productive? Free everything is fool's gold. It simply unsustainable. What is the purpose of being king if everyone beneath you expects you to fulfill their every want? Who grows the food or builds infrastructure? Who protects you when you leave your castle?
Appears to me we are chasing dystopia not utopia by general definitions.
This post was edited on 6/14/26 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
This is impressive only if the goal is to miss the point as loudly as possible.
No one argued Britain should stop trading with Europe. No one argued the WEF has a magic joystick. The argument is that the governing class can dislike Brexit, accept it formally, and then spend years trying to dilute it through bureaucracy, courts, migration policy, regulatory alignment, and “reset” politics.
You keep calling that a conspiracy because answering it directly would require more than saying “boogeyman” and polishing your own halo.
No one argued Britain should stop trading with Europe. No one argued the WEF has a magic joystick. The argument is that the governing class can dislike Brexit, accept it formally, and then spend years trying to dilute it through bureaucracy, courts, migration policy, regulatory alignment, and “reset” politics.
You keep calling that a conspiracy because answering it directly would require more than saying “boogeyman” and polishing your own halo.
This post was edited on 6/14/26 at 7:48 am
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:47 am to dalefla
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Youve hijacked another thread and taking it completely off course.
I'm just pointing out how bad the arguments are. That's not "taking it off course".
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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And it makes no sense, as I'm proving.
You’re failing miserably. The question is easy to answer, the motivation is easy to see.
Posted on 6/14/26 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You’re not saving the thread from bad arguments. You’re hijacking it into the only argument you want to have.
I'm just pointing out how bad the arguments are. That's not "taking it off course".
The topic is whether mass immigration, welfare dependency, poor assimilation, and political dilution benefit the host society.
Your answer so far is basically “boogeyman” and “trade exists.” Riveting stuff.
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