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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong

Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:09 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:09 pm to
These WFH fraudsters have no limits. They are even trying to scam people on X.

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Posted by Mick Hogger
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2020
670 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:13 pm to
A good troll never oversells it like you've done.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:28 pm to
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A good troll never oversells it like you've done.


Overselling it by providing facts and examples? If this was a troll job I would have quit after page 10. This is serious business, WFH fraudsters have to be stopped
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:36 pm to
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If he was out sick another RT would be called in or a agency RT would be called in. The same patient safety ratios would be maintained. Totally different when he leaves during the middle of his shift


This is false. They offer extra $$ for someone to pick up but there’s no guarantee another RT comes in. If nobody picks up, the pt still gets cared for. Happens all the time. During COVID they were short RTs and we had some managing 24 vents by themself. They can’t just “call someone in”

Also, who covers for the RT during their 30 min lunch break and two 15 minute breaks?

You acting like hospitals give a shite about nurse patient ratios (or safety) is comical. I’ve tripled in the ICU many many times and that is largely why there was a huge exodus of ICU RNs during and post COVID. Ironic given they are charging $14K a night for an ICU bed per night. MONEY IS TIGHT. They (hospital admins) are more than willing to triple your work for the same pay…. (Google wage/productivity chart to better understand how this works).

RTs have almost nothing to do with patient safety. Especially in high acuity ICUs where the RNs essentially double as RTs and have a more thorough understanding of heart/lung interactions and the effects of mechanical ventilation on various hemodynamic parameters

OP you should talk about real healthcare issues, like the filling of our ICUs with crackheads, overdoses and prisoners and charging the American taxpayer $14K+ a night to take care of them. That’s the real fraud
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13199 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:07 am to
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RTs have almost nothing to do with patient safety.

Wait.....wut?

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Especially in high acuity ICUs where the RNs essentially double as RTs

Because the RT's work assignment includes patient care on the floor...outside of the ICU. Yeah...that happens.

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and have a more thorough understanding of heart/lung interactions and the effects of mechanical ventilation on various hemodynamic parameters


You're RT's must lack experience as this isn't true for me.


And now....back to the regularly scheduled thread talk...
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:23 am to
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This is false. They offer extra $$ for someone to pick up but there’s no guarantee another RT comes in. If nobody picks up, the pt still gets cared for. Happens all the time. During COVID they were short RTs and we had some managing 24 vents by themself. They can’t just “call someone in”


No it's not. What shitty hospital do you work for? If we can't get staff to pick up an extra shift then we get a agency RT

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You acting like hospitals give a shite about nurse patient ratios (or safety) is comical. I’ve tripled in the ICU many many times


Like I said, you work for a shitty hospital. 10 years ago that might have happened and then we got a Union. No problems with staffing ever since. Always 2 patients per ICU Nurse.


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OP you should talk about real healthcare issues, like the filling of our ICUs with crackheads, overdoses and prisoners 


Again, you work at a shitty hospital I feel for you brother, I suggest you look at another Hospital to work for ASAP


Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:34 am to
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Because the RT's work assignment includes patient care on the floor...outside of the ICU. Yeah...that happens


No, we usually just don’t have time to call them from another floor before the patient dies, or we just want to fix the issue right away. Either way we put out the fire ourselves.

I acknowledge at times they have to pass duonebs on the floor, or put the bipap on a pt. Not really a “safety” issue.

They are more than capable of managing a vent, don’t get me wrong. Worked with great ICU RTs that make my job easier, but it’s a luxury not a necessity. And no I don’t think even the most experienced RT understands how hypoxemia relates to acute right ventricular failure.

Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:44 am to
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or put the bipap on a pt. Not really a “safety” issue.


I have seen many patients not have their bipap mask on and ended up buying themselves a ET tube. Definitely a safety issue. That's why Bipap machines have alarms
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 12:57 am to
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then we get a agency RT



I’m referencing 2 well funded magnet hospitals. Take from that what you will. This is largely the pt population everywhere I’ve been in larger metropolitan areas, especially teaching facilities.

On call agency RTs are not baseline for most facilities.

Hospitals in LA don’t care about unions. Ask UMC how that’s going for them
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:00 am to
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I have seen many patients not have their bipap mask on and ended up buying themselves a ET tube. Definitely a safety issue. That's why Bipap machines have alarms


And you need an RT to put a pap on? That’s why the RN is there. A monkey can manage a bipap. Crazy
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:10 am to
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Hospitals in LA don’t care about unions. Ask UMC how that’s going for them


I work in Las Vegas. Also worked in California as a travel nurse for 5 years. Worked in Louisiana at a teaching hospital post graduation for 2 years to gain experience. The difference in pay and staffing ratios for Louisiana compared to California and Vegas is night and day. I feel for you brother, I experienced it.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:14 am to
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And you need an RT to put a pap on?


No, placing the bipap mask on is no problem. I was referring to your comment about it not being a safety issue.
Posted by LeGOAT
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2023
81 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:21 am to
Ah that makes sense. Yes night and day indeed
Posted by au4you
Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
3170 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 5:39 am to
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If I was a WFH, I'd keep my head down and thank Jesus every day for the immense blessings.
Lol my man, go get you a WFH position somewhere.

God will still love you.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37455 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 6:10 am to
Better question is how could he affect private sector types....he really can't
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298455 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 6:13 am to
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No it's not. What shitty hospital do you work for?


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Like I said, you work for a shitty hospital.




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Again, you work at a shitty hospital


Youre broken.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84985 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:22 am to
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wonder how much Musk works in the office on a weekly basis?


Now, prob not a lot due to all the ventures he’s involved in, but during the critical days of Tesla/SpaceX and early acquisition of Twitter, he would often sleep in his office, conference room, or on the roof of Tesla in California.

He def walks the walk when rubber meets road, but this take on everyone being in office 100% is just stupid.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56145 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:33 am to
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but this take on everyone being in office 100% is just stupid.


If you're working on a commission, I agree. If you're working an eight hour job, I disagree. I don't want to pay someone for eight hours work that stays home and goes fishing or shopping for three hours. Now one might say "but you got from the time you wake until you go to bed to get that eight hours work done". Yeah, right.

When you work for someone who pays your bills for you you either accept their agenda or move on.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 7:41 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476304 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:36 am to
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If you're working on a salary,


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I don't want to pay someone for eight hours work


C'mon.

If you are obsessed with hours, you should be paying hourly.

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When you work for someone who pays your bills for you you either accept their agenda or move on.

Well, obviously, but the point being made is that employers who are so obsessed with the inefficiencies of the hourly mindset are being left behind.

I'll just point this out again: Elon doesn't pay his non-menial workers hourly, either.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20083 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 7:38 am to
I knew someone that was working two jobs like this before covid. It was a conflict of interest issue hence why they got fired.
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