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re: Elon Musk says WFH is morally wrong
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:05 pm to greygoose
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:05 pm to greygoose
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What you don't get is, the non-WFH worker has a time and place to be. Everything is put on hold in order to get the job done. WFH crawl out of bed whenever, take a two hour break during the day to run errands, etc. with almost zero concentration on keeping the gears of the machine moving. They are not respected by their subordinates, and they know they don't have any idea of the bullshite that is raining down. Just for a second, imagine the person looking forward to a break just to drink a cup of coffee and collect their thoughts. Meanwhile, the WFH worker can just say "frick it", and take a break 15 minutes after their last one. I never know what the next 5 minutes are going to bring. WFH worker has the luxury of planning their whole day around work, instead of the opposite, That grinds on the gears the person who fights traffic just to get to the job on time, fights it on the way home after busting their arse, just to know they earned their pay that day
Again if they are a salaried employee, their employer agrees to the arrangement and they get their work done, why does it matter?
Why don’t want to tell other people and other companies how to work and how to manage their employees?
Again I don’t work from home, it just isn’t an option with what I do.
But I don’t give a single frick about other people working from home. It doesn’t affect me and it sure as frick isn’t the business of the government to regulate it.
But no one who wants to end woke from home can answer they it is allegedly immoral or why they even care
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:05 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
It’s also complete hypocrisy for people who talk about muh big government. I’ve noticed a lot of people LOVE to bitch about the large, overbearing government needing reigned in.. then go and say we need the overbearing government to ban WFH for the private sector. If I have a business, and I let my guys WFH, and they can get their shite done in 6 hours as salaried employees.. go enjoy the rest of your day. I don’t need no gubmint telling me what to do with my employees!
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:07 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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But I don’t give a single frick about other people working from home. It doesn’t affect me and it sure as frick isn’t the business of the government to regulate it.
You are hard headed. This is not about working from home. It's about fraud and theft. Going grocery shopping and to the gym while on the clock is fraud and theft
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:07 pm to John Barron
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We are talking about going grocery shopping and to the gym while on the clock instead of working.
Elon didn't mention this. I was discussing Elon's take, not yours.
Also there are ways to prevent this. Technology can track if you're being productive or not. Is your keyboard or mouse not moving? That's a problem.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:09 pm to John Barron
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shopping for her dinner on the clock
Never heard of lunch hour?
You’re just trolling at this point.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:10 pm to John Barron
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You are hard headed. This is not about working from home. It's about fraud and theft. Going grocery shopping and to the gym while on the clock is fraud and theft
Are they hourly or salaried?
Do they get their work done on time and meet whatever productivity metrics they need to make?
Of the answer is yes, then who cares what they do with their time?
If the answer is no, they should be unemployed
But WFH is not the issue. There are bad employees in all work settings.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:25 pm to John Barron
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You are hard headed. This is not about working from home. It's about fraud and theft. Going grocery shopping and to the gym while on the clock is fraud and theft
I've been a salaried worker since I was 22, no company I've worked for has ever cared if I did this "on the clock" as long as I got my job done.
That's the whole point of a salaried position. And it usually works out in the favor of the employer, who almost always get more than 40 hours out of the employee.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:27 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
This is your typical WFH fraudster. Walking on the beach instead of working. Then bragging about it on the Internet 
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That simply said at some point in the day he walked on the beach. Damn you mad about something.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:36 pm to The Baker
When you are worth 300 billion you can have as many’s kids as you want to. Elon isn’t looking for the guuuuvment to step in and help.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:37 pm to jonnyanony
WFH fraudsters working 2 jobs. Their Fraud and Theft has no limits.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:41 pm to au4you
quote:Not even close! My immediate boss is WFH. I can't tell you how many times I've had to call her about something critical and I have to wait while she finishes checking our at Walmart, or say something to the staff at the kid pick up line at school. frick, just the other day, I got a lecture about how busy she was because she HAD to go to an away football game and then work on her home computer when she got home.
Sounds like you should find a WFH position. People waste way more time in the office.
It gets real hard to drum up an ounce of sympathy when you compare my shite to your shite. Your shite looks pretty damn good from where a whole lot of people are sitting. If I was a WFH, I'd keep my head down and thank Jesus every day for the immense blessings. Keep in mind, they ALWAYS attempt of justify their jobs. No different than anything I've read on this site. I'm not talking about the person who leaves the house to go to job sites, meetings outside of the home. I'm talking about the cushy, buttery soft, no fricks to give if it get done, WFH who does just enough to justify their position. The owner of our company probably puts 700 miles on his car every week. Meanwhile, he puts WFH people making decisions that haven't stepped foot on the ground of where the work takes place in a very long time. They have no idea what the challenges are, or what it actually takes to make the company profitable. You can have your opinion, and I can have mine, but I side with the guy who figured our how to make cars drive themselves and rockets land back on Earth!
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:45 pm to John Barron
It’s case by case. Some “jobs” allow for it & I think less about morals than he’s making it out to be. Truckers, North Sea oil workers, ranchers… there’s no’work from home’ there.
Life isn’t fair. It’s not supposed to be.
Life isn’t fair. It’s not supposed to be.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:47 pm to John Barron
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WFH fraudsters working 2 jobs.
Again, if they're getting their work done why do you care? If not, they get canned.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:48 pm to greygoose
Brother, these WFH fraudsters are liberals masking as conservatives. They probably wear a mask when they are sitting in front of their computer at home.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:50 pm to John Barron
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John Barron
Brother, these WFH fraudsters are liberals masking as conservatives. They probably wear a mask when they are sitting in front of their computer at home.
I'm just about the right as one could get, have a MAGA hat in my house.
You are dead wrong on this topic, which is fine. Keep fighting the good fight elsewhere
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:51 pm to OWLFAN86
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that's good money for womens work
I already told you we have more men in ICU than women. You should know that with your experience, it takes alot of muscle to turn a fat paraplegic like yourself
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:01 pm to John Barron
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You’re not MAGA if you think this
Can we try to not get blackout drunk off this win and become the left when it comes to dying on the hill of these purity spirals? Most people who voted for Trump voted on immigration, inflation, and rejecting ideological insanity. They aren’t seething over people working from home. Some of the stuff being floated around out there is just going to result in the same backlash we benefited from this time around.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:01 pm to gaetti15
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You are dead wrong on this topic, which is fine. Keep fighting the good fight elsewhere
Nah, Majority are weak liberal figs that can't have a conversation with other humans. Not to mention the fraud and theft they commit when running errands on the clock. They might be some good moral conservatives who don't do that but the majority are not. We can agree to disagree
Posted on 11/18/24 at 11:07 pm to John Barron
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Majority are weak liberal figs that can't have a conversation with other humans.
Would agree. Particularly in agencies that shouldn't exist or should be severely limited in scope.
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They might be some good moral conservatives who don't do that but the majority are not.
It's far from the majority, but you do have a decent presence of Federal employees that are high functioning savants and do 60+% of the work within most administrative agencies. If you keep those folks allow them to work from home then you save GSA costs for buildings, get rid of salary, and keep the same efficiency
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