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re: Elon Musk: Annual fraud of US Taxpayer $ is an estimated lower bound of $1.5 Trillion +
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:14 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:14 pm to Robin Masters
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Now we know how many of these people can afford new Denalis, BMWs and Porsches
Go look in the parking lots for the state agencies in Baton Rouge.
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Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:18 pm to ShoeBang
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Any reason not to?
Yes
He was literally tasked with finding the shite and he didn't find anywhere near what he is claiming exists
So if it eludes him, how does he know it exists?
I don't see a reason to assume that this is a true statement
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:21 pm to Powerman
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He was literally tasked with finding the shite and he didn't find anywhere near what he is claiming exists
Moving goalposts
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So if it eludes him, how does he know it exists?
Wasn't there some sort of "block" for DOGE accessing the Treasury, why would they do that?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:24 pm to Powerman
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He was literally tasked with finding the shite and he didn't find anywhere near what he is claiming exists
What percent of the entire federal spending apparatus do you think DOGE was able to "look at"?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:24 pm to Kjnstkmn
Significant portion of citizens and non-citizens believe in the new American way - grift on the "entitlement" system.
Entitlement. Think about that term for a minute.
Entitlement. Think about that term for a minute.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:25 pm to bad93ex
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Moving goalposts
Not at all. They didn't find anywhere near that level of fraud when they were literally asked to look into it.
Spending you don't agree with isn't "fraud"
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:26 pm to Kjnstkmn
When given a chance to prove it with DOGE we didn't see anything hinting at that.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:28 pm to Powerman
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Spending you don't agree with isn't "fraud"
Is this your official stance now that there was no fraud? Just money spent on things that people didn't like?
Just trying to find the goalposts here, they seem to be moving rapidly.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:29 pm to Powerman
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He was literally tasked with finding the shite and he didn't find anywhere near what he is claiming exists
And was blocked at every turn by the courts and the very agencies wasting the money.
He also was mostly looking for waste, not fraud - much of which is happening on the state level with federal funds.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:29 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:30 pm to j1897
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When it comes to estimations and predictions, i'd trust a person with downs over Elon Musk
Found another voter that doesn't pay taxes, but hates your guts and wants you to pay more.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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There's potentially $9 billion in fraud in Minnesota alone
But how much actually?
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:32 pm to Robin Masters
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Now we know how many of these people can afford new Denalis, BMWs and Porsches If they stopped the fraud overnight most luxury brands would go tits up in a year.
Akin to the broken window fallacy.
If we are able to give citizens more of their money, will they not be able to afford luxury brands? I think we will.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:33 pm to Penrod
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But how much actually?
Yeah there is fraud but like not really that much.
Are you rooting against this because of the optics for the party of "love and inclusion?"
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:43 pm to Powerman
quote:Just curious, is there an amount you would say is insignificant? (Even if that figure is way off?)
He was literally tasked with finding the shite and he didn't find anywhere near what he is claiming exists
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:44 pm to j1897
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If you knew your rear from a hole in the ground, you'd already know who Tom Mueller was before clicking the link.
But you don't, just another boomer putting blind faith in Elon's lies.
If you knew your rear from a hold in the ground, you'd know that even Mueller would think your post is stupid.
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"I'm not this conservative TRW engineer that I was when I first met Elon. I'm an entrepreneur. So Elon's probably my biggest influence, for sure." (2017 speech, reflecting on Musk's impact).
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"I was very lucky that I met the right visionary and because of my passion for rocket engineering I was invited to this opportunity that became SpaceX." (2019 interview, highlighting meeting the "visionary")
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:44 pm to Kjnstkmn
He also told us DOGE would find 2 Trillion in fraud and they found around 180 billion so I’d pump the brakes on this.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:45 pm to bad93ex
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Is this your official stance now that there was no fraud? Just money spent on things that people didn't like?
No. But I'm pointing out that there is an important distinction between the 2
Fraud certainly exists, and I never claimed it didn't.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:46 pm to Penrod
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When given a chance to prove it with DOGE we didn't see anything hinting at that.
Don't point that out. People get offended.
Posted on 12/29/25 at 12:47 pm to Penrod
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But how much actually?
That number will never be known.
Does anyone actually doubt that every government system is rife with fraud and corruption?
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