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re: Eliminating the Electoral College Has Pros/Cons Depending on Where You Stand

Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38526 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:08 pm to
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Not in this case. We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. How do you folks not understand this?
You don't understand it. The terms answer different questions. “Republic” describes the form of government, “democracy” describes the source of political authority, and “constitutional” describes the legal limits placed on that government. The United States is therefore both a constitutional republic and a representative democracy. Saying it is one does not make it not the other.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
67462 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:09 pm to
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Eliminating the Electoral College Has Pros


Nope.
Posted by OU81TOO
Member since Jul 2024
279 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:15 pm to
frick off
Posted by OU81TOO
Member since Jul 2024
279 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:17 pm to
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36766 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:17 pm to
Popular vote would make it very likely that we would have presidents elected with a plurality of only 30%-40-% or leas of the vote.

At least EC always ensures that a president is elected with majority.

Oh and frick off with your popular vote bullshite.


Posted by John somers
Los Proxima
Member since Oct 2024
1857 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:19 pm to
Go ahead and try, homosexual.

Please. Try.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38526 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:19 pm to
Which part of the definition do you dispute? Point to it and explain why, rather than substituting a reading-comprehension insult for an argument.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
11204 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:22 pm to
RFK = conman
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13276 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:23 pm to
Here would be my Great Compromise on the Electoral College.

Top vote getter on the state level wins 2 Electoral Votes, Each Congressional district win gets an additional Electoral Vote.

So in a state like Louisiana. Trump would have won 7 of the state’s electoral votes. One vote would have gone to Harris since it more than likely went Dem.
This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 1:24 pm
Posted by OU81TOO
Member since Jul 2024
279 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:23 pm to
I don't have to explain anything to you. Quit being intentionally obtuse. We probably agree on most things. Your reading comprehension of the constitution is what I'm referring to. Read it and tell me where it uses the word "democracy" anywhere in the document.
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
12474 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:27 pm to
There are no pros to eliminating the EC
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38526 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:28 pm to
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I don't have to explain anything to you. Quit being intentionally obtuse. We probably agree on most things. Your reading comprehension of the constitution is what I'm referring to. Read it and tell me where it uses the word "democracy" anywhere in the document.
It doesn’t use the word “democracy,” and I never claimed it did. It also never uses the phrase “constitutional republic.” A constitution establishes institutions; it does not supply the political-science labels for the system those institutions create.

The system derives authority from the people, selects officials through elections, rejects hereditary rule, and limits government through a written constitution. That makes it democratic, republican, and constitutional. Those descriptions are complementary, not contradictory.

Hamilton himself called the proposed government “a representative democracy” during the ratification debates so who to believe? Hamilton or an anonymous internet poster who named himself after a Van Halen record?

I've answered you. Now please explain why we're not a democracy and why you seem to think republic and democracy are opposites.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63941 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:32 pm to
What’s going to happen when a state’s chosen candidate is different than the one receiving the most popular votes?
Posted by OU81TOO
Member since Jul 2024
279 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:42 pm to
Again, I don't have to explain anything to you. You have your interpretation and I have mine. I never said democracy and a republic are opposites. We have elements of both. Nice use of Google BTW. What does this have to do with the electoral college? The electoral college exists to make sure we never turn into a true democracy. Oh, and why are you fighting with a mental midget like me who uses a Van Halen album title as his handle? I really don't understand what the argument is here besides you being a contrarian.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
83348 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 1:46 pm to
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What’s going to happen when a state’s chosen candidate is different than the one receiving the most popular votes?


Jerrymandering makes this virtually impossible.
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
5061 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:20 pm to
Absolutely negative ghost rider.

Need electoral voting at state level, and even county level.
Posted by CSATiger
The Battlefield
Member since Aug 2010
6971 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:20 pm to
The Electoral College is a central tenet of Federalism and States Rights, a national popular vote is just mob rule of the urban centers. Same folks want to nix the Senate for the same reasons.

Definition of Pure Democracy: two wolves and a sheep vote on what is for supper
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
5061 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:23 pm to
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Persistent mismatches in which the national popular-vote winner loses the presidency, combined with sustained majority public support for a direct popular election, will eventually encourage elimination of the Electoral College.


It can dissuade all it wants. People can cry about it all they want. They can call this a democracy all they want.
This is a republic, and mobs don't rule.
If they did, we'd have thinned the herd on the snowflakes a generation or so ago.
Be careful what you wish for.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41783 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:25 pm to
It has zero pros. frick off.

The United States would not exist without the Senate and Electoral College ensuring that the Big States didn't control the Federal Government.

Oh... in case you missed it. frick off.

Amazing that you piece of shite liberals want to save democracy by eliminating the electoral college, the Senate and stacking the Supreme Court. Oh and you evidently love to skip the primary system.

One last time. frick off.
This post was edited on 8/2/26 at 2:27 pm
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
23282 posts
Posted on 8/2/26 at 2:25 pm to
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Pro:


There are no "Pro's" if you dont live in one of the top 10 largest urban areas in the country. The rest of our votes would be moot.

This is how you get a Mamdani as POTUS. If that happens civil war will break out. Secession will become a thing again.
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