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re: Dr who was once an evolutionist explains why mankind is no accident
Posted on 7/4/19 at 8:26 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 7/4/19 at 8:26 pm to ShortyRob
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He had COMPLETE artistic freedom!
And he used it to lie.
To condemn souls simply trying to understand, to hell.
Don't act that the avenue doesn't have theological problems of its own, that it is a a solution you don't understand why others don't see.
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Posted on 7/4/19 at 8:29 pm to Crimson Wraith
“Evolutionist”
LOL
LOL
Posted on 7/4/19 at 8:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
3rd page. I am disappointed 
Posted on 7/4/19 at 8:33 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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What if I believe in both evolution and the Grand Architect?
The problem is that evolution and a literal historical Genesis are mutually exclusive.
If a Christian has no problem regarding much of the OT as allegory, there’s no conflict.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 8:50 pm to Volvagia
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And he used it to lie.
To condemn souls simply trying to understand, to hell.
Yep
If that's God, why even worship him
Posted on 7/4/19 at 9:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
How so?
Would it be possible that when the book of genesis was written, the people’s concepts of time was vastly different than ours (Noah being like 900yrs old)? Also, God created everything within one week in a specific order. Not a literal week, but what one would conceive as a week for a higher power living in eternity. This specific order is confirmed by science, for not one thing is out of order in the Bible to what scientist believe as the order of evolution.
Would it be possible that when the book of genesis was written, the people’s concepts of time was vastly different than ours (Noah being like 900yrs old)? Also, God created everything within one week in a specific order. Not a literal week, but what one would conceive as a week for a higher power living in eternity. This specific order is confirmed by science, for not one thing is out of order in the Bible to what scientist believe as the order of evolution.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 9:15 pm to SlapahoeTribe
quote:I believe that only the Biblical God as described by the Bible provides the preconditions for intelligibility for everything, from science to logic to morality. Take away the biblical narrative and you have foolishness to the point where we can’t know anything.
What if I believe in both evolution and the Grand Architect?
Never understood why people try to make them mutually exclusive. God is complex, far more so than humanity will ever understand. He has the power to have created a universe 14 billion years ago that he knew would evolve us.
I don’t have a problem with the coexistence of science and religion.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 9:24 pm to GoldenAge
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How so?
Evolution requires death
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This specific order is confirmed by science, for not one thing is out of order in the Bible to what scientist believe as the order of evolution.
Incorrect, the Bible claims the Earth was created before the Sun and other stars and that life on Earth predates the moon. Both are obviously untrue. Additionally, it claims flowering plants predate animal life which, again, is easily disproven.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:03 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I'd like an explanation for the dinosaurs. Why did dinosaurs live for millions of years before humans?
The term "dinosaur" was coined in the 1800's
The Bible speaks clearly of behemoths
Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Incorrect, the Bible claims the Earth was created before the Sun and other stars and that life on Earth predates the moon. Both are obviously untrue. Additionally, it claims flowering plants predate animal life which, again, is easily disproven.
Wait, the idea that God spoke some words and stuff just popped into existence is okay, but that it happened in the wrong order is the problem? That’s the criticism?
Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:08 pm to Volvagia
quote:ehh, not exactly. while you might could make a speculative case against the ic of a single system such as the eye for example, as in dover v kitzmiller, there is such a thing as cumulative case. these systems, some of which still defy evolutionary explanation, start to build a cumulative case that leads to a pretty obvious conclusion.
irreducible complexity arguments based on examples debunked a decade ago
moreover, the case against the ic of the eye, et al, start with certain ground level components. the idea of ic starts with nothing and gets something complex. whenever opponents try to explain how something complex could be constructed/reproduced by scientists, they are actually making the case for id.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:09 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:spiritual death not physical death.
The whole reason Jesus came was to save mankind from sin and death
quote:did you know that billy graham was a theistic evolutionist? i'm pretty sure you don't know more about the christian faith than he does.
Evolution is not compatible in the slightest with the Bible
Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:10 pm to CelticDog
quote:prove they're wrong
both wrong positions
Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:12 pm to gthog61
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You really cannot mix faith and science
ever heard of the enlightenment? the first generation of scientists were largely trying to work out their faith through empiricism. you're taking somewhat of a noma/gould stance which is not the only stance. i can suggest some reading material if you're interested in how faith and empiricism intersect.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:23 pm to CelticDog
quote:nothing from the fossil record contradicts anything in the bible. only ignorant people think otherwise
The earth is littered with skeletal remains that belie the paltry old testament
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:25 pm to bfniii
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nothing from the fossil record contradicts anything in the bible.
It proves death predates humanity, and that the flood as described in Genesis could not have possibly occurred.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:29 pm to AggieHank86
quote:oh boy. here we go
AggieHank86
quote:because you have proof otherwise, right? geez. what did the pb do to deserve you
Deity which allegedly created us
quote:is it possible that the reason things appear this way is yet unknown to us?
planting fossils and false radiocarbon evidence
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:31 pm to bfniii
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did you know that billy graham was a theistic evolutionist? i'm pretty sure you don't know more about the christian faith than he does.
Billy Graham did not hold to a strict literalist interpretation of Genesis.
Now again this still leaves the problem of death predating sin, but at least it’s not so laughable as to be immediately dismissed. OT literalism is so incompatible with reality it’s not worth taking the time to debate, as anyone trying to reconcile the two or endorse YEC has abandoned reason for the sake of belief.
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:34 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:interesting point. yec advocates claim that the flood altered the structure of physical objects such that radiocarbon dating is not reliable. granted, opponents claim that's pseudoscience but flood geologists claim that mainstream science is often pseudoscience.
If it did, everything we think we know would be invalidated, no?
Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:34 pm to bfniii
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spiritual death not physical death.
The Bible is very clear that physical death is the result of original sin. The fossil record proves both humans and non-human animals have been dying far longer than the time scope of the Biblical account. Modern humans existed for around 190,000 years prior to the time of Genesis.
This post was edited on 7/4/19 at 11:35 pm
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