re: Dr who was once an evolutionist explains why mankind is no accident

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yec advocates claim that the flood altered the structure of physical objects such that radiocarbon dating is not reliable.

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Which is nonsense, but it’s really beside the point. The amount of water required to flood the entire earth to the depth described in the Bible does not exist on our planet. So again we’re back to a trickster God manipulating the laws of nature he put in place with the knowledge we would one day come to understand said laws, thereby intentionally misleading us.

So either it’s demonstrably nonsense scientifically, or god is a being who seems undeserving of reverence.

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the Bible claims the Earth was created before the Sun and other stars and that life on Earth predates the moon

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not everyone agrees with this interpretation

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Billy Graham did not hold to a strict literalist interpretation of Genesis

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link?

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OT literalism is so incompatible with reality it’s not worth taking the time to debate,

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again, your use of the word literal is specious. not all people agree with how you are using the word in regards to biblical interpretation

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Which is nonsense

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says you

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The amount of water required to flood the entire earth to the depth described in the Bible does not exist on our planet

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so god can't create a miracle?

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The whole reason Jesus came was to save mankind from sin and death

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spiritual death not physical death.

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Both physical and spiritual death occurred through Adam's sin. 1 Corinthians 15 teaches us this if you want to think Romans 5 is only talking about spiritual death.

Bottom line is that the Bible teaches that death itself came into the world after mankind sinned, which directly contradicts evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory is full of assumptions that don’t actually have a basis in its own worldview, such as induction (uniformity of nature), which is vital to the scientific method. There is no reason why induction should exist in a chaotic and random universe. Evolutionary theory presupposes a naturalistic and materialistic view of origins, yet such a worldview cannot account for immaterial laws like math and science. They just have to assume them to exist as part of nature, though they shouldn’t exist if naturalistic materialism were true (where do you go to see or touch a law or principle?)

Then you get to ethics. If evolutionary theory is true, what we do is a product of what we are, which is a bag of purposeless meat, driven by chemical reactions. In such a world, there is no “good” or “evil”. We are just doing what we do based on those chemical reactions. We are just more advanced bottles of soda that are shaken up and the caps removed. Where is the morality in that? What one reaction does to another reaction is not classified in terms of morality.

Likewise what we see in nature is not moral or immoral. A lion killing a baby gazelle is not immoral. One tiger raping another is not immoral. One wolf stealing the food of another is not immoral. Therefore we, who have no greater value or purpose than any other animal, have no ultimate basis for morality. Morality is just a convention in this worldview that can be taken or left. Hitler wasn’t wrong, he just had a different view than Ghandi. His chemical reactions just worked differently than others. Morality, therefore, is just arbitrariness, in an atheistic, evolutionary worldview. You can dislike the actions of others but you have no basis to condemn them in this view.

On the contrary, we are made in the image of God with value and dignity. We have the moral law of God written on our hearts in the form of our consciences. We know good exists. We know evil exists. We act this way every day when we see atrocities and despise them. We know that God exists even if we suppress that truth. The world can only make sense if the Biblical God exists.

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Paul states in 1 Corinthians that Adam’s sin is the cause of man’s physical mortality

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you can keep repeating it, but it doesn't change the fact that there have plenty of smart people over a hundred years at least who disagree with your interpretation

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which directly contradicts evolutionary theory

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not according to theistic evolutionists

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Evolutionary theory presupposes a naturalistic and materialistic view of origins

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again, not according to theistic evolutionists or id proponents

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where do you go to see or touch a law or principle?

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i'm no methodolgical naturalist but, they would say that math and science are tautologous languages. an endless stream of semiotics.

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In such a world, there is no “good” or “evil”

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again, i'm no naturalist but, they maintain evolutionary ethics gives rise to social mores.

I recently went to a Cherokee Indian museum which told their story of the creation of Earth.

They said a water beetle went down to the bottom of the sea and carried up a mound of dirt. That dirt became all the land we see. They also have a story about a crow attempting to bring the people fire and as if flew through the fire it became charred which is why the crow is black. These stories date back to thousands of years BC.

I’m sure any religious person on this forum will dismiss these stories from having any truth to them and these are just stories from people trying to make sense of the world based on their current understanding and knowledge.

So out of the billions upon billions of people that have come and gone and the thousands upon thousands of civilizations that each had their own religions and stories what do you think the likelihood is that Christianity is the one truth among all these other myths?

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Christianity is the one truth among all these other myths?

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Basically comes down to whether or not Christ was actually raised from the dead. If that actually happened, it would be pretty strong evidence, no?

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not according to theistic evolutionists

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And Mormons claim to they are Christians. Saying so doesn’t make it so.

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again, not according to theistic evolutionists or id proponents

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They have thought through the philosophical and theological ramifications of their position, then.

If “God” merely wound up the world like a clock and let it tick in its own through evolution, then mankind wasn’t made with special intent and purpose. We simply evolved like monkeys and fish. We certainly aren’t made in God’s image with any dignity and inherent worth as the Bible claims. “Theistic evolution” contradicts the Bible and therefore must be rejected if we are to make sense of the world around us.

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i'm no methodolgical naturalist but, they would say that math and science are tautologous languages. an endless stream of semiotics.

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Either the “languages” would have to exist outside of mankind, meaning that the immaterial and conceptual extend beyond our brains, contradicting their materialistic position, or they are derived from our brains, making them merely conventions that could possibly be different from individual to individual or from society to society, which would render them useless if the law of non-contradiction didn’t exist or if 2+2=5.

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again, i'm no naturalist but, they maintain evolutionary ethics gives rise to social mores.

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Evolutionary ethics aren’t objective standards of ethics, though. They are behaviors that help a species survive and propagate, which isn’t an objective standard at all. From an evolutionary perspective, it’s not even a standard of right and wrong. It’s not even a goal. It’s just what nature does or tries to do.

Even so, evolutionary ethics could be used to justify eugenics, genocide, rape, and theft among other “immoral” behavior because there is no objective standard of ethics in that worldview, so if you make propagation of the species the goal of societal life, anything goes to further that end.

So like I said, in that worldview, there is no “good” and “evil”. There is only what happens inside our brains and the effects of that on society, which can be manipulated in any way to reach a desired goal.