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re: Don Jr is tweeting about Hunter
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:58 pm to davyjones
Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:58 pm to davyjones
quote:This analysis assumes that the propriety of the request should be judged ex post facto by determining whether the defendant was actually guilty of a crime. I submit that this is not the case.
I believe Baby B's testimony is relevant to determine whether there's a basis for reasonable suspicion on the part of Trump, to test legitimacy of Trump's defense along those lines. Questioning such as how and why Hunter landed the Burisma board spot and related inquiry as to his qualifications that only he can answer appropriately. Also whether and to what extent Joe may have had any interactions with Burisma or any of its board members while Hunter was a member. Perhaps inquiry as to Hunter's knowledge and understanding of the nature of any Ukrainian govt investigation of Burisma, specifically Victor Shokin actions and involvement of which Hunter may have been aware.
Much like a request for a warrant, I think you have to judge the propriety of the request based upon the information available to the person making that request, at the time of the request. Either there was adequate info to request a warrant, or there was not. The fact that the cops found pot on the premises during the search DOES NOT mean that the search was legally-justified (though it is easy to anticipate that people who know nothing about the law will argue otherwise).
Thus, the ultimate question is NOT whether Baby Biden committed a crime (which I rather doubt), but rather whether Trump had information leading to a good faith belief that Baby Biden had committed a crime.
By all means, I think Trump would be allowed to present into evidence anything that he had in his possession which would have justified a request for law enforcement assistance from the Ukraine government.
Baby Biden‘s testimony can provide no evidence whatsoever as to the question of “what information did trump have at the time of the telephone call?“
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:00 pm to skinny domino
He’ll stroke out before the nomination this year... book it.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:00 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
If Trump wanted it investigated he should have notified US law enforcement to do so.
I am going to say this slowly so that you can understand:
TRUMP. IS. US. LAW. ENFORCEMENT.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:04 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Whether there's valid basis or not is irrelevant
Well it's the heart of Trump's defense, so that makes it inherently relevant.
quote:
He should have went through the justice department to investigate though, especially given the ties to his political opponent.
And this is what rebuttal is for. That's where this argument belongs. Not as a proposed basis to exclude a central defense, pretrial.
The triers of fact will then determine relevance, which is more accurately described "weight of the evidence" in this situation. Excluding an accused's central defense is highly frowned upon. Sure, there are technical/legal bases upon which to exclude use of a particular defense prior to trial, but the opinion of "should have sought investigation xyz way instead of what was done" ain't a sustainable basis to exclude.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:27 pm to AggieHank86
I guess I've been shut down on protracted replies. What up with that?? Is that a thing?? 
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:30 pm to davyjones
quote:I must admit that I do not understand what you are asking.
I guess I've been shut down on protracted replies. What up with that?? Is that a thing??
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Its cute you think gets the entire scope.
Not remotely applicable. Baby Biden was not bribing Ukrainian governmental officials.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:32 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I am a libertarian. I am an advocate of small, very-limited government.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:34 pm to Taxing Authority
Even if Trump did EVERYTHING the libs claim, he still did nothing wrong or outside of his authority.
ETA: accepting the fallacy that what he is accused of is wrong, and attempting to “clear” him, should be a non starter to any debate on this topic.
ETA: accepting the fallacy that what he is accused of is wrong, and attempting to “clear” him, should be a non starter to any debate on this topic.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:34 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Feel free to link ANY post in which I have advocated in favor of any big government program.quote:and i’m a socialist.
I am a libertarian. I am an advocate of small, very-limited government.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:36 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:It is the most-important element.quote:Its cute you think gets the entire scope.
Not remotely applicable. Baby Biden was not bribing Ukrainian governmental officials.
Feel free to show the provision of the FCPA that you think Baby Biden violated.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:38 pm to AggieHank86
Show me a fricking provision that says we aren’t allowed to investigate presidential candidates kids for credible accounts of international influence peddling.
Where’s your high arse legal bar for democrats here, mr. libertarian?
Where’s your high arse legal bar for democrats here, mr. libertarian?
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:38 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Trump is head of the DOJ. Why aren’t charges being dropped on all this filth? Crying about something you directly control is the worst part of this whole thing.
What US law did Baby Biden violate?
We won’t know until he’s under oath
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:39 pm to AggieHank86
So you think Hunter got on the board due to his work experience? You have to be stupid to think that was on the up and up.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:39 pm to ShortyRob
quote:A. Want the “moderate” independent did it best (or worst?)
It's comical. You act like you invented this tactic when in fact, you're like the 10th person on this board who has used it. VOR being the most appropriate comparative example.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:41 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Don Jr has presidential potential imo
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:41 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:. The entire process rests on the the absurd theory that Trump would have no reason to want Biden investigated than political.
Ok that’s fine let’s not say the call was a crime then. That doesn’t change the point of my post.
Hence. OBVIOUSLY defense will seek to show this theory false.
You're being absurd.
LOL. Wut
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:43 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Whether there's valid basis or not is irrelevant. I’m sure Trump did believe Hunter was corrupt as does most sane Americans. He should have went through the justice department to investigate though, especially given the ties to his political opponent.
Cute but he isn't charged with improper procedure.
But you knew that already
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:43 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:HOW MANY times must I say that an investigation of Baby Biden in the ordinary course would have been ENTIRELY proper, and that it was only the circumstances of Trump’s request which gives rise to questions regarding his motivations?
Show me a fricking provision that says we aren’t allowed to investigate presidential candidates kids for credible accounts of international influence peddling.
I think this is the 7482nd time.
It is almost like you people filter everything you read through your political preconceptions and biases.
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