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re: Don Jr is tweeting about Hunter

Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:58 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/18/20 at 3:58 pm to
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I believe Baby B's testimony is relevant to determine whether there's a basis for reasonable suspicion on the part of Trump, to test legitimacy of Trump's defense along those lines. Questioning such as how and why Hunter landed the Burisma board spot and related inquiry as to his qualifications that only he can answer appropriately. Also whether and to what extent Joe may have had any interactions with Burisma or any of its board members while Hunter was a member. Perhaps inquiry as to Hunter's knowledge and understanding of the nature of any Ukrainian govt investigation of Burisma, specifically Victor Shokin actions and involvement of which Hunter may have been aware.
This analysis assumes that the propriety of the request should be judged ex post facto by determining whether the defendant was actually guilty of a crime. I submit that this is not the case.

Much like a request for a warrant, I think you have to judge the propriety of the request based upon the information available to the person making that request, at the time of the request. Either there was adequate info to request a warrant, or there was not. The fact that the cops found pot on the premises during the search DOES NOT mean that the search was legally-justified (though it is easy to anticipate that people who know nothing about the law will argue otherwise).

Thus, the ultimate question is NOT whether Baby Biden committed a crime (which I rather doubt), but rather whether Trump had information leading to a good faith belief that Baby Biden had committed a crime.

By all means, I think Trump would be allowed to present into evidence anything that he had in his possession which would have justified a request for law enforcement assistance from the Ukraine government.

Baby Biden‘s testimony can provide no evidence whatsoever as to the question of “what information did trump have at the time of the telephone call?“
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 4:33 pm
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17605 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:00 pm to
He’ll stroke out before the nomination this year... book it.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16973 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:00 pm to
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If Trump wanted it investigated he should have notified US law enforcement to do so.


I am going to say this slowly so that you can understand:

TRUMP. IS. US. LAW. ENFORCEMENT.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:04 pm to
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Whether there's valid basis or not is irrelevant

Well it's the heart of Trump's defense, so that makes it inherently relevant.
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He should have went through the justice department to investigate though, especially given the ties to his political opponent.

And this is what rebuttal is for. That's where this argument belongs. Not as a proposed basis to exclude a central defense, pretrial.

The triers of fact will then determine relevance, which is more accurately described "weight of the evidence" in this situation. Excluding an accused's central defense is highly frowned upon. Sure, there are technical/legal bases upon which to exclude use of a particular defense prior to trial, but the opinion of "should have sought investigation xyz way instead of what was done" ain't a sustainable basis to exclude.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:21 pm to
Truth
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:27 pm to
I guess I've been shut down on protracted replies. What up with that?? Is that a thing??
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:30 pm to
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I guess I've been shut down on protracted replies. What up with that?? Is that a thing??
I must admit that I do not understand what you are asking.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62540 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:31 pm to
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Not remotely applicable. Baby Biden was not bribing Ukrainian governmental officials.
Its cute you think gets the entire scope.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62540 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:32 pm to
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I am a libertarian. I am an advocate of small, very-limited government.
and i’m a socialist.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46046 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:34 pm to
Even if Trump did EVERYTHING the libs claim, he still did nothing wrong or outside of his authority.

ETA: accepting the fallacy that what he is accused of is wrong, and attempting to “clear” him, should be a non starter to any debate on this topic.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 4:35 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:34 pm to
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quote:

I am a libertarian. I am an advocate of small, very-limited government.
and i’m a socialist.
Feel free to link ANY post in which I have advocated in favor of any big government program.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:36 pm to
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quote:

Not remotely applicable. Baby Biden was not bribing Ukrainian governmental officials.
Its cute you think gets the entire scope.
It is the most-important element.

Feel free to show the provision of the FCPA that you think Baby Biden violated.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46046 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:38 pm to
Show me a fricking provision that says we aren’t allowed to investigate presidential candidates kids for credible accounts of international influence peddling.

Where’s your high arse legal bar for democrats here, mr. libertarian?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53679 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:38 pm to
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Trump is head of the DOJ. Why aren’t charges being dropped on all this filth? Crying about something you directly control is the worst part of this whole thing.
What US law did Baby Biden violate?



We won’t know until he’s under oath
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15041 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:39 pm to
So you think Hunter got on the board due to his work experience? You have to be stupid to think that was on the up and up.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62540 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:39 pm to
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It's comical. You act like you invented this tactic when in fact, you're like the 10th person on this board who has used it. VOR being the most appropriate comparative example.

A. Want the “moderate” independent did it best (or worst?)
Posted by Little Trump
Florida
Member since Nov 2017
5817 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:41 pm to
Don Jr has presidential potential imo
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 4:42 pm
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:41 pm to
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Ok that’s fine let’s not say the call was a crime then. That doesn’t change the point of my post.
. The entire process rests on the the absurd theory that Trump would have no reason to want Biden investigated than political.

Hence. OBVIOUSLY defense will seek to show this theory false.

You're being absurd.

LOL. Wut

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:43 pm to
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Whether there's valid basis or not is irrelevant. I’m sure Trump did believe Hunter was corrupt as does most sane Americans. He should have went through the justice department to investigate though, especially given the ties to his political opponent.

Cute but he isn't charged with improper procedure.

But you knew that already
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 4:43 pm to
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Show me a fricking provision that says we aren’t allowed to investigate presidential candidates kids for credible accounts of international influence peddling.
HOW MANY times must I say that an investigation of Baby Biden in the ordinary course would have been ENTIRELY proper, and that it was only the circumstances of Trump’s request which gives rise to questions regarding his motivations?

I think this is the 7482nd time.

It is almost like you people filter everything you read through your political preconceptions and biases.
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