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re: Does the left really believe we can power the entire country on solar and wind?

Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by APT
Houston
Member since May 2009
192 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:55 pm to
No, but they can make themselves and their donors really rich off of government money and tax breaks.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162212 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

Make up your mind. Now you want the gubment in there bidness!

Do you think the government should have taken 0 action against British petroleum in 2009? Just completely ignore the oil spill like it didn't happen?
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:56 pm to
Not what I asked you jerk off. You said zero.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162212 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:02 pm to
You seem to have a tough time keeping up with conversations which is particularly troubling since you're the one who was asking the question.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:03 pm to
Lol Zero dollars seems pretty simple.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162212 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:04 pm to
Right. And in reference to my question it was. You're trying to apply that answer to other questions. You're either dishonest or dumb.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:05 pm to
Where did I apply it other than your original comment?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162212 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:07 pm to
You responded to my comment about the BP oil spill which had nothing to do with your original question. Try to keep up
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12477 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:07 pm to
I’d be interested to see some real numbers that support coal. kWh/btu, maintenance cost, generation response time, etc. all compared to its peers. The numbers are out there I just don’t feel like googling them. That’s a solid argument to support continued use of coal. Not feels.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:08 pm to
Keep up? You brought it up!
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:08 pm to
It would seem simple. Coal is a dying energy source.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10381 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:13 pm to
They say that they do but it just shows their stupidity.

Beto actually wants the gov to stop selling leases to oil companies offshore. I mean, that just kills louisiana and hurts texas real bad.

This is the most outrageous field of whacko’s I have ever seen and i’m including ralph nader who was out there
Posted by CheEngineer
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2019
4234 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:19 pm to
Coal Liquefaction bruh we are the Saudi Arabia of coal it is called energy independence for another 100 years
Posted by Jbird
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Member since Oct 2012
73432 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:20 pm to
Powerputz says no way Jose.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89502 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:23 pm to
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we are the Saudi Arabia of coal


I agree with the sentiment, but this actually understates the reality. We're probably closer to "the entire Persian Gulf region" of coal.

Which is damned impressive.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37612 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:38 pm to
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Solar will never work until the technology exists to incorporate solar collection it into building and paving materials.

Once that happens, it might work.

Only then.

Not exactly .... but you are partially correct.

Solar will never be mass viable until our energy storage issues are solved. Better batteries, cheaper batteries, safer batteries.

The UofSC ismworkijg on that along with a number of other research schools .... there is a race on for the holy grail of energy storage. Tesla Walls are the closest thing we have at the moment. I built one myself out of 18650s for my home but they are finicky.

Whoever gets there first, the U.S. or China, wins provided we don't get there first and then hand the technology, or materials recipe over to the Chinese like we gave LiFePO 4s to the Chinese and now they are mostly made in China.

We're idiots.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
10970 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:45 pm to
I say collect cow-fart gas...
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12477 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:56 pm to
I agree on the battery tech. We need to focus on that heavily and protect the IP. The PW2 is a nice product but still has room for improvement. There are safer and better products on the market (sonnen for example), but from a mass production and tech platform, Tesla wins hands down.

I do think there’s enough favorable roof space in the US (reasonable tilt/azimuth/shade, and GHI) to help with grid stability during peak consumption hours and we can layer in ESS as the tech improves. So I don’t think we should let less than perfect tec deter us from investment and growth in those areas. We didn’t stop drilling wells because we couldn’t frac them yet. So why do the same for solar?
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3468 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:11 pm to
Bill Gates thinks we should start subsidizing battery storage, do these people even realize that solar cells last about 20-25 years before needing to be replaced, and the batteries will need to be replaced every 5. We are going to fill so many landfills with batteries and solar cells over the next 50 years of the green movement.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67777 posts
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:13 pm to
Reliability becomes a big problem with about a 40% penetration of renewables.
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