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re: Does JBE win re-election?

Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:43 am to
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:43 am to
Right now I’d say yes Probably by 30k votes
Posted by Hamma1122
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Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:44 am to
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Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96147 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:48 am to
This assumes a similar turnout from the primary.

He can get the same number of votes but end up having a higher percentage if others don’t vote, but the scare tactics used on black stations tell me he isn’t expecting similar turnout.

A lack of other serious Dem candidates in runoffs mean that any turnout is likely going to fall directly on him as opposed to having Cleo Fields bus them to the polls.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4012 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:53 am to
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I think there will still be enough moderate Republicans and Abraham voters that will vote for him.


And there are Independents like me, former Reaganite type Republican who has never supported a DEM at the Presidential Level. Although, even as a Reaganite Republican, I supported John Breaux, J.B. Johnston, etc for Senator. I voted for Republicans in every Local Baton Rouge Election in the primary save Governor. So I will vote for JBE.
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
11625 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:07 am to
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And there are Independents like me, former Reaganite type Republican who has never supported a DEM at the Presidential Level. Although, even as a Reaganite Republican, I supported John Breaux, J.B. Johnston, etc for Senator. I voted for Republicans in every Local Baton Rouge Election in the primary save Governor. So I will vote for JBE.


Just curious...why are you supporting JBE?
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17505 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:13 am to
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Reaganite Republican


Posted by Thunder
Western by God Vernon Parish
Member since Mar 2006
2421 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:19 am to
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This assumes a similar turnout from the primary.

I agree and its going to be a little higher turnout this time but I still can't find a path to victory for him unless tons of Abraham voters stay home..... The religious right of this State scares the shite out of me.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56417 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:25 am to
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We know he is pro-life, pro-2A, and anti-sanctuary City.
What we KNOW is that he wouldn't get elected if he went left on any of those issues.

The only "industry" Edwards energizes are the trial lawyers, just like a traditional democrat, but even they will go broke when there's nothing left to leech off of.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4012 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:27 am to
I honestly think he is better for the state than Rispone. Rispone quite frankly is a political hack. The use of the term "Liberal" to describe JBE is laughable, as if he is the same as Sanders, Warren, Pelosi, Schumer, etc, etc. He has been way better for LSU than Jindal, who I voted for twice. Jindal got us in this mess when he killed the Stelly plan which was promoted by Governor Foster (REP) and Stelly himself (Republican) and approved by the voters. What does Jindal do, against this better judgment, he, not by himself, but he is largest culprit, killed the Stelly plan and he did it at a time when LA was flush with Oil Money. In fact, in Jindal's first 4 years, Oil Revenues were providing almost 20% of LA's total revenues, highest since the 45% or so during the end of Edwin Edwards tenure and Treen's tenure. He did away with the cigarette tax, which LA had the lowest in the country at the time because as Jindal stated, not allowing a tax expire that is on the books is in effect a tax raise. I am 53 years old and in effect what Jindal did was bring us back to the Edwards era when Oil revenues funded everything and nobody had to pay taxes for essential services, i.e. infrastructure, Universities, education, etc. etc.

So to blunt, the Bush, Dick Cheny, John Bolton, Donald Rumsfield NeoCon Republicans, of which Jindal is a part of as it was Bush that appointed Jindal to a position in his Government and Jindal's 8 year tenure as Governor finally caused me to tell the Republican party at the National level to go to hell, I had long ago told the National Dems to go to hell. Rispone may be a good at his business, but he comes across to me as an idiot and a political hack and he is a Jindal Sycophant.

JBE has the backing of the LA Sherriffs assocation, Law Enforcment. It is always interesting when I hear the National Republican talking heads say "We love our Police" with the implication that Liberal Dems don't, Well, he has the backing from Law Enforcement. Every Catholic Pro-Life group I follow gives him an 100% Pro-Life Record. Jindal went around acting holier than thou and never did crap on that one. He has a 100% 2nd Amendment rating as a DEM. Billy Nungesser, the LT Governor, has a lower 2nd amendment rating than JBE and he is a Republican.

So for Governor, I don't give a crap about DEM and REP because JBE on the issues I care about is as conservative as Ronald Reagan. He got the state out of the budget mess that Jindal put us in and I actually think he is less divisive for the broad cross section of voters. There are lots of good things going on in Louisiana right now with LSU and the Saint. I think JBE, more so than Rispone, is better able to bring Catholic/Protestant or no religion, White/Black, City/Rural, South LA, Central LA, North LA together than Rispone who is using the same tactics that both National DEMS and REPS use at Presidential level

Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18455 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:29 am to
Yes

I'm gonna do my part to try and prevent it from happening, though.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37140 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:34 am to
My prediction

Rispone 50.4
JBE 49.6

It would not surprise me if those numbers are reversed.

Does anyone know if LA has an automatic recount threshhold, and if so, what is it?

What is setting this race is a Democrat candidate who, on issues important to most LA citizens, is somewhat center/right, and a Republican candidate who hasn't inspired a lot of confidence in people.

Rispone blows out a more liberal candidate, and a better GOP candidate blows out JBE. But that's not where we are.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4012 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:35 am to
Actually I do. I was old enough to vote for him. Are you. Reagan actually tried to control spending, but he could actually meet and work with Tip O'Neil and met with him everyday. He appointed Scalia, my favorite justice who started the originalist conservative judicial philosophy on the supreme court. He was solid on 2nd amendment, strong on National defense, and not an interventionist like the Modern Republican NEOCON dominated party led by the likes of the Bushes, Dick Cheny, Donald Rumsfield that lied there arse off about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and sent a bunch of people to die in bleeping war that they would not send their own kids to fight in.

Reagan in 1983 sent some Marines to help broker a cease fire in Lebanon. After the Marine barracks attack, Reagan had a decision to we send more young people to die in the Middle east and get involve in a civil war and regime change, or we just bomb the hell out of the people that did it and then get our people out and let those folks there fight it out as eventually people will get tired of killing each other. The one thing he did not do is get a bunch of young Americans killed in a war that we had no business fighting because it was not worth asking American Fathers and Mothers to see there kids blood spilled in the middle east.

Afghanistan was the correct decision, but all this other regime change crap stating with Bush and Iraq and Obama an Clinton with Libya, Egypt and Syria, only the optics differed there as it was covert US action, vs. boots on the ground by Bush.

So yes I know what Reagan Republicanism and I know what Modern NeoCon Republicanism is. The Neocon Republicans can go to hell with the National Liberal DEMS. I despise both of them
Posted by used2becool
Member since Feb 2018
110 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:37 am to
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Jindal got us in this mess when he killed the Stelly plan which was promoted by Governor Foster (REP) and Stelly himself (Republican) and approved by the voters.


Ummm... JBE voted to repeal the Stelly Plan. Even "The Edwards Advocate" acknowledges that fact.

LINK - The Edwards Advocate

But the repeal of Stelly is why you blame Jindal and support JBE?

Please excuse me for not reading the rest of your bullshite, but you destroyed your credibility in the first four sentences.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 10:38 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37140 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:39 am to
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Ummm... JBE voted to repeal the Stelly Plan. Even "The Edwards Advocate" acknowledges that fact.


We didn't repeal Stelly. We partially repealed Stelly.

If we repealed Stelly in full, it may have been poor policy, but we would not have had the budget issues we had.

But yeah, lots of people in both parties take the blame for that. Including Jindal and JBE.
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4012 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:40 am to
He did vote for it, but he at least publicly admits he screwed up. Jindal has never admitted anything about it as he could have vetoed the damn thing. No way there would be enough to override him. And yes, it was ultimately Jindal and his sycophants that put it to rest.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6460 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:40 am to
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So for Governor, I don't give a crap about DEM and REP because JBE on the issues I care about is as conservative as Ronald Reagan. He got the state out of the budget mess that Jindal put us in and I actually think he is less divisive for the broad cross section of voters. There are lots of good things going on in Louisiana right now with LSU and the Saint. I think JBE, more so than Rispone, is better able to bring Catholic/Protestant or no religion, White/Black, City/Rural, South LA, Central LA, North LA together than Rispone who is using the same tactics that both National DEMS and REPS use at Presidential level


He didn't really. The cuts to various incentive programs that Jindal and Republican and Black Caucus legislators enacted in 2015 coupled with the windfall revenue generated by the Federal tax cut and increasing oil prices got us out of the budget deficit cycle.

All Edwards did was pile on a train wreck Medicaid expansion (BTW go check out the LDH General Fund Allocation since JBE took office) and raised needless taxes. His tax increases disproportionately effect the working poor, and were completely unnecessary as our government is now working with a $500 million surplus.

This Fiscal Note for his 2017 tax increase was 445 Million. So we had a budget surplus despite his Medicaid expansion before his latest tax increase. He just wanted more of your money.

Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9512 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:41 am to
What the spread on this? I think JBE wins by 26,000 votes. :(
Posted by JKChesterton
Member since Dec 2012
4012 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:52 am to
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We didn't repeal Stelly. We partially repealed Stelly.

If we repealed Stelly in full, it may have been poor policy, but we would not have had the budget issues we had.

But yeah, lots of people in both parties take the blame for that. Including Jindal and JBE.


Yes, they kept the exemptions on essential items like food, medicine and utilities, but went back to the pre-Stelly State Income tax tables. They did it at a time when Oil prices were through the roof and LA budget revenues were at about 16% of total revenues (2008) by 2015 those were less than 10% and by 2017 they were 4% of total revenues. So yes, it was a collective FUBAR by the entire LA Political establishment that killed the Stelly plan, a Republican pushed plan by Govenor Foster, 2 term Governor and very good one IMO and Republican Rep Vic Stelly of Lake Charles and voter approved.

But Jindal was the executive from 2008 to 2016 and the Governor in LA would not be defined as a Weak Governor state in terms of executive power, I think we are about average, whereas Texas next store is a weak Governor in terms of power.
Posted by Bedhog
Denham Springs
Member since Apr 2019
3741 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:54 am to
Look, I'm a conservative straight republican voting person. These political elections are like pitting 2 football teams with ravenous fanbases against each other and in the grand scheme neither official will really hurt or better anyones lives in a significant way.

This is all just so damn stupid.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14509 posts
Posted on 11/14/19 at 11:04 am to
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quote:

He got the state out of the budget mess that Jindal put us in


He didn't really. The cuts to various incentive programs that Jindal and Republican and Black Caucus legislators enacted in 2015 coupled with the windfall revenue generated by the Federal tax cut and increasing oil prices got us out of the budget deficit cycle.

All Edwards did was pile on a train wreck Medicaid expansion (BTW go check out the LDH General Fund Allocation since JBE took office) and raised needless taxes. His tax increases disproportionately effect the working poor, and were completely unnecessary as our government is now working with a $500 million surplus.

This Fiscal Note for his 2017 tax increase was 445 Million. So we had a budget surplus despite his Medicaid expansion before his latest tax increase. He just wanted more of your money.


I hate that the truth is so nuanced and complicated. With a press that doesn't want to tell that story, virtually no one knows this.



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