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re: Does anyone here on this board have the balls to say they oppose weed legalization?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It will take the power away from cartels.
Woo hoo beware the power to be mentally slow, lazy & behold no ambitions.
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:52 pm to northshorebamaman
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With you? I'll pass. I've done weed threads with you before and insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Congrats on hooking these guys in though. They'll learn the utter waste of time it is to converse with you.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most of illegal grow operations in Colorado are for export LINK
Now you are moving into a new topic.
You stated that Colorado was the place. There should be no cartels operating there and no black market. I have shown you that is not the case. Now we are on to "well... that's for export"
To sum up this before we move on to the new one.... Colorado legalized, Black market is still there, Cartels are even growing there.
So far all I have seen proof of is that the cartels have taken over there much like mexico and the rest of central and south America.
So let's address the new Topic... It's for export...
2016..
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Pot Is Still Lighting Up the Black Market
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But one glaring issue—the continuing existence of the black market in those four states—is a persistent thorn in the side of advocates of the new legal system being implemented there.
One of those 4 states is Colorado.
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A cursory glance at Denver’s Craigslist page will reveal dozens of delivery services for cannabis, all purporting to be above board. For a “donation,” one of these delivery services will meet you and give you cannabis in a ziploc bag or angular lucite box—almost like a pot dealer, one might say. Due to the high level of taxation on cannabis at government-licensed dispensaries, many users are looking to delivery services like these, as well as the old standby of calling a friend of a friend, to get their buds without government interference.
LINK
All of these are liberal publications that advocate the same thing as you.
LINK
again.. 2016:
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Why is a black market that was supposed to be vanquished still thriving? In short: economics.
Instead, what is keeping people in Colorado’s black market is price, with a dose of convenience thrown in, says Mark Vasquez, a former narcotics detective and now the chief of police in Erie, Colorado. Vasquez heads the Colorado Association of Police Chiefs’ marijuana working group and has traveled nationally to educate other departments about Colorado’s experience with its new legal system. “The black market,” he says, “is alive and well and will continue to thrive in Colorado.”
Shall I continue?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 8:56 pm to LSUintheNW
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Was it?
Yes it was.
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You'll never fully get rid of them because we won't be decriminalizing cocaine, meth, and heroin any time soon nor the rest of the world.
That's point 2. You are right in that they will never shut down the cartels unless they are treated like ISIS.
Therefore, why are we legalizing anything in the name of stopping the Cartels?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:02 pm to LSUintheNW
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Eventually, they will have no where to go in this country concerning pot.
they are selling in Colorado. WTH!
LOL!
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:27 pm to Jjdoc
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they are selling in Colorado. WTH!
Most illegal pot operations in Colorado are selling out of state
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:29 pm to Jjdoc
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You stated that Colorado was the place. There should be no cartels operating there and no black market. I have shown you that is not the case.
You know man, you lack the cognitive abilities to discuss this. It's worthless.
You haven't the slightest understanding of economics.
All you do is keep shifting your goal post.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:31 pm to umop_apisdn
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It will take the power away from cartels.
Woo hoo beware the power to be mentally slow, lazy & behold no ambitions.
Who cares?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:31 pm to northshorebamaman
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Portugal decriminalized, they didn't legalize. Meaning you still have to buy on the black market in Portugal. That makes it irrelevant to this argument. Of course people are still buying on the black market in Portugal. There isn't a legal alternative.
You were right. He's impossible to discuss with.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most illegal pot operations in Colorado are selling out of state
I linked to articles and data showing that the black market is live and well. Why are you ignoring it?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:36 pm to Jjdoc
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I linked to articles and data showing that the black market is live and well.
You linked vague information stating nothing in particular and no proof.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You know man, you lack the cognitive abilities to discuss this. It's worthless.
Wait. What did we miscommunicate on. I was clear in my questions. You were clear in your answers. I was equally clear and posted the appropriate links to back up what I stated.
You can not prove in reality where cartels have been put out of business. We moved from Portugal to Colorado at your request.
I'm showing you the cartels are even friggin growing it there for sell on the black market there as well as other places.
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You haven't the slightest understanding of economics.
I beg to differ and the liberal publications that want the same goal as you even disagrees with you. Law enforcement there disagrees with you. I post links and quotes to both.
Simple economics states that unless you can price it lower than me, I will get business.
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All you do is keep shifting your goal post.
Have not shifted one thing at all.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The pot heads care.
The non smokers just want to live clean and have ambition.
The non smokers just want to live clean and have ambition.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:42 pm to Jjdoc
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Law enforcement there disagrees with you. I post links and quotes to both
I've posted link after link, you post some anectodal crap
You lose again
Face it pops, weed will be legal across the county in 5 years
And the cartels will have to find other drugs to pedalPosted on 1/5/18 at 9:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You were right. He's impossible to discuss with.
Feel free to dispute anything I posted in response to you.
The fact is you cant. It's why we moved from Portugal to Colorado.
Once there, I proved your talking points to be false.
1- 22 thousand pounds seized from a cartel who grew it there.
2- Black market selling pot... still there.
3- Colorado... legalized not just decriminalized.
Those were your standards set in this thread. I addressed everything.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:43 pm to Jjdoc
I voted against when I lived in Denver in 2012.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:45 pm to umop_apisdn
quote:and legal weed won't stop you from doing that
The non smokers just want to live clean and have ambition.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:47 pm to Jjdoc
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Those were your standards set in this thread. I addressed everythin
No you didn't, you don't even understand the whole equation. Youre a waste of time
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I've posted link after link, you post some anectodal crap
Not one link showing no black mrket there.
Not one link showing Cartels disappearing from there.
Not one link showing the greatness of it.
Denver
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The results of a new study about the impact of Colorado’s marijuana legalization is raising troubling questions for parents. The study cites a significant increase in marijuana-related traffic deaths, hospital visits and school suspensions.
Guess this is wrong ....
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According to a report released this month by the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, Colorado saw a 29 percent increase in emergency room visits, and a 38 percent increase in hospitalizations during retail marijuana’s first year.
All lies right.
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The study states that over 11 percent of Colorado’s 12 to 17 year-olds use pot — 56 percent higher than the national average. It also cites a 40 percent increase in drug-related suspensions and expulsions — the vast majority from marijuana.
Lies from the evil parents and kids...
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Levy Thamba Pongi, 19, jumped to his death at a Denver hotel on March 11 after eating more of a marijuana cookie than was recommended by a seller, police records show - a finding that comes amid increased concern about the strength of popular pot edibles after Colorado became the first state to legalize recreational marijuana.
This was a lie. His mom disagrees with you and fully believes it to be true.
LINK
And this would never be a result of legalized pot...
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Traffic fatalities linked to marijuana are up sharply in Colorado
That's 2017 btw.
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Increasingly potent levels of marijuana were found in positive-testing drivers who died in crashes in Front Range counties, according to coroner data since 2013 compiled by The Denver Post. Nearly a dozen in 2016 had levels five times the amount allowed by law, and one was at 22 times the limit. Levels were not as elevated in earlier years.
Increasingly potent levels of marijuana were found in positive-testing drivers who died in crashes in Front Range counties, according to coroner data since 2013 compiled by The Denver Post. Nearly a dozen in 2016 had levels five times the amount allowed by law, and one was at 22 times the limit. Levels were not as elevated in earlier years.
Last year, all of the drivers who survived and tested positive for marijuana use had the drug at levels that indicated use within a few hours of being tested, according to the Colorado Department of Transportation
But wth do they know...
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The trends coincide with the legalization of recreational marijuana in Colorado that began with adult use in late 2012, followed by sales in 2014.
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We went from zero to 100, and we’ve been chasing it ever since,” Greenwood Village Police Chief John Jackson said of the state’s implementation of legalized marijuana. “Nobody understands it and people are dying. That’s a huge public safety problem.”
Again... wth do they know.
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The 2013-16 period saw a 40 percent increase in the number of all drivers involved in fatal crashes in Colorado, from 627 to 880, according to the NHTSA data. Those who tested positive for alcohol in fatal crashes from 2013 to 2015 — figures for 2016 were not available — grew 17 percent, from 129 to 151.
By contrast, the number of drivers who tested positive for marijuana use jumped 145 percent — from 47 in 2013 to 115 in 2016.
But hey.... Let's just ignore it all.
And here's the kicker... That's not all of the numbers because state laws do not require it to be noted. Great isn't it. Now big business covering up truth by not really studying the effects.
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State law does not require coroners to test deceased drivers specifically for marijuana use in fatal wrecks — some do and some don’t —
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Among The Post’s other findings:
Marijuana is figuring into more fatal crashes overall. In 2013, drivers tested positive for the drug in about 10 percent of all fatal crashes. By 2016, it was 20 percent.
More drivers are testing positive for marijuana and nothing else. Of the drivers involved in fatal crashes in 2014 who tested positive for cannabinoids, more than 52 percent had no alcohol in their system. By 2016, it had grown to 69 percent.
The average age of drivers in deadly crashes in 2015 who tested positive for marijuana was nearly 35, with a quarter of them over 40.
In 2016, of the 115 drivers in fatal wrecks who tested positive for marijuana use, 71 were found to have Delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in their blood, indicating use within hours, according to state data. Of those, 63 percent were over 5 nanograms per milliliter, the state’s limit for driving.
No effects at all!
Care to comment?
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No you didn't, you don't even understand the whole equation. Youre a waste of time
Everything! You don't have one single thread of evidence to prove what you stated in this thread. I have provided a ton!
If you believe I have not addressed everything we started out on, come clean and say what aspect I over looked.
As of now
1- Cartels unharmed and working still.
2- Black market present
3- Social issues noted by the state
All linked and verifiable. To this post, you have not been able to demonstrate that:
1- Cartels are being put out of business
2- Black Markets gone
3- no social issues have happened.
Still waiting
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