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re: Does anyone care if Trump hung out with Epstein?

Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:23 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:23 am to
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No you idiot, someone asserted Trump must be innocent because he banned Epstein before his arrest. All I did assert Trump did not ban him until a full year after his arrest. You're making shite up there buddy.
No nitwit, I don't "make shite up." It's not my schtick.

You posted all this BS in response to Mar-a-Lago allegations:
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Perhaps more disturbingly, there was no police report and the staff who worked there at the time have denied any knowledge of the ban. It's either not true or Trump told the teen he had banned Epstein to keep her quiet about the incident.

The claim was he was grooming teen girls, yes, yes trying to have sex with teen girls warrants a police report. How is that a difficult concept for you? If you frick kids you go to jail.

The claim as he was hitting on another members daughter and her father threatened to call the police if Trump didn't. It wasn't staff but a members kid. And again, the only indication he was ever banned is when his account was closed in October 2007, until then Epstein was a dues paying member.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:27 am to
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It's either not true or Trump told the teen he had banned Epstein to keep her quiet abouot the incident.


So, Trump only told her Epstein was banned? How would this play out in real life? Do you think she wouldn't recognize him if he showed up again? Or do you think the predator Epstein voluntarily stayed away from MAL after that even though Trump was "on his side?"

Sometimes, you just need to run your arguments through a basic logical analysis before spewing them.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:33 am to
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Did he do this or just claim Trump knew (or should have known) of his issues prior to 2007?


You tell me?
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The claim as he was hitting on another members daughter and her father threatened to call the police if Trump didn't.

Perhaps more disturbingly, there was no police report and the staff who worked there at the time have denied any knowledge of the ban. It's either not true or Trump told the teen he had banned Epstein to keep her quiet about the incident.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:39 am to
That sounds like a combination of

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Trump knew (or should have known) of his issues prior to 2007?


and an attack on the veracity of the claim, and/or an implication that Trump knew and didn't treat it seriously (by making a police report) to "keep it quiet".

Nowhere in that is criminal behavior implicated. Morality and veracity are implicated, but not criminality.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:41 am to
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So, Trump only told her Epstein was banned? How would this play out in real life? Do you think she wouldn't recognize him if he showed up again? Or do you think the predator Epstein voluntarily stayed away from MAL after that even though Trump was "on his side?"

Sometimes, you just need to run your arguments through a basic logical analysis before spewing them.

You didn't read his argument or understand a simple point.

No, his argument is not "Trump only told her Epstein was banned".

It's that either the ban was for something else, Epstein left the club on his own (no "ban" but it had the same effect), or Trump did ban Epstein for this illegal behavior and then, knowing he was acting improperly with minors, swept it under the rug.

The summary is the "Trump banned Epstein from MAL" talking point isn't this argument-ender that it's oft used as on this board (See: multiple attempts in this very thread). There is a lot more to it.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 11:43 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 11:55 am to
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Nowhere in that is criminal behavior implicated.
So if a club owner knows an adult on premises is "trying to have sex with teen girls," i.e., "you frick kids you go to jail," yet the owner deliberately covers the episode up, he's not complicit? Gee wiz, that's good to know.
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:01 pm to
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Minimized Public Perception of His Crimes: Epstein’s 2008 plea deal resulted in a relatively light sentence, and the details of his crimes were not as widely publicized then as they were after his 2019 arrest. Some associates may have been unaware of the full extent of his actions or believed the narrative that he was involved with “consensual” or less severe offenses.




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Lack of Accountability: The lenient 2008 plea deal, coupled with a lack of aggressive media scrutiny at the time, allowed Epstein to avoid significant social ostracism.





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Post-Release Behavior: After his release in 2009, Epstein resumed his high-profile lifestyle, attending events and maintaining relationships with influential figures. Some associates later claimed they were unaware of the extent of his crimes, while others distanced themselves only after the 2019 allegations brought renewed scrutiny.





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Jeffrey Epstein was reportedly banned from Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club in October 2007, according to the book The Grifter’s Club: Trump, Mar-a-Lago, and the Selling of the Presidency by Miami Herald journalists and others. The book cites Mar-a-Lago membership records indicating Epstein’s account was closed in October 2007 after he allegedly harassed or made inappropriate advances toward the teenage daughter of another club member.




So Trump cuts ties before this played out in court.


Others kept hanging out with him until 2019.


This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Patato Salad
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:03 pm to
Lol. MAGA love moving the goal posts for Trump...so predictable.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:06 pm to
I'm guessing Melania. Maybe if it goes back far enough ......Marla Maples. Maybe his daughter.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:07 pm to
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Lol. MAGA love moving the goal posts for Trump...so predictable.



Donald Trump isn’t the only person to ever hang out with Jeffery Epstein.


Michelle Obama called Harvey Weinstein a dear friend. Does that mean she sexually assaulted actresses with him?

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:14 pm to
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The summary is the "Trump banned Epstein from MAL" talking point isn't this argument-ender that it's oft used as on this board (See: multiple attempts in this very thread). There is a lot more to it.



Trump banned him before this played out in court.


So he didn’t allow due process to take before kicking him out of the club.

I guess that’s his biggest crime.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:16 pm to
Epstein was a mossad asset and trump was caught in its web.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:31 pm to
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lol if you think Epstein was bringing 14 year olds to these parties with him.


One of the Epstein girls testified in the Maxwell trial - under oath - that Epstein took her to Mar-a-Lago to meet Trump at 14.

LINK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:32 pm to
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So if a club owner knows an adult on premises is "trying to have sex with teen girls," i.e., "you frick kids you go to jail," yet the owner deliberately covers the episode up,


Your "cover up" language is a straw man.

Change "deliberately covers the episode up" to "ignores the claims/arrets" and that is more accurate.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Trump banned him before this played out in court.

Epstein was indicted twice for this behavior before October 2007. Try again.

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So he didn’t allow due process to take before kicking him out of the club.

I guess that’s his biggest crime.

He waited years from the initial indictment to kick him out. I don't think anyone is claiming it's a crime. It just raises questions and hurts the attempt at ending conversations with the "Trump banned Epstein from MAL" talking point, as I said above.

Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Donald Trump isn’t the only person to ever hang out with Jeffery Epstein.


Michelle Obama called Harvey Weinstein a dear friend. Does that mean she sexually assaulted actresses with him?


No but Bill Clinton hung out with Epstein and everyone on here seems to thing that means he automatically raped kids.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:35 pm to
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One of the Epstein girls testified in the Maxwell trial - under oath - that Epstein took her to Mar-a-Lago to meet Trump at 14.

LINK

I told them they needed to review this testimony of Epstein victims
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:46 pm to
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I told them they needed to review this testimony of Epstein victims


This reminds me of when all the stuff came out on Michael Jackson and his fans were all trying to rationalize the evidence as normal.
Posted by PhtevenWithaV
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:51 pm to
You don't think its disturbing that Trump claims he had proof Epstein was a pedophile but didn't report it to the police?

That's not extrapulating criminal activity, that's just quoting Trump's claims about Epstein and pointing out they're pretty fricked up. Doesn't mean anything criminal was done. You have some weird bonor for being victimized you have to act like thats some allegation of a crime against your daddy
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/6/25 at 12:53 pm to
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They were next door neighbors.

Sure they were.
Hell man, from his Mar-a-Lago bedroom window, Trump must have watched Epstein boffing adolescents in the Epstein mansion massage room next door. Right?


JFWIW though, not only was Epstein's place a mile and a half from MAL, it was on a different beach.
This post was edited on 6/6/25 at 12:54 pm
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