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re: Doctor: every patient I’ve given hydroxychloroquine to has been symptom free in 8-12 hrs
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:00 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:00 pm to Adam Banks
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Do you people think that this medicine is not already in use? Y’all all seem to think that the doctors in Louisiana are too stupid to try it. We are trying it. We are giving it to patients when they admit to the hospital. We are giving it to people on vents. We are giving it to people who are symptomatic outpatient. People are still dying. It may work to some degree but people are still dying. It is not the miracle cure people seem to think it is.
It doesn't need to be a miracle cure. And, you as a doctor should know that.
And, you are asking the wrong question. The question is whether it makes sense to administer the drug more widespread than is happening now, some say even prophylactically. The answer to that may be no. I have no idea. But, if this is the best treatment. And, doctors have already figured that out on their own (it sure seems that way), then we need to consider pushing that path forward and evaluating whether that moves the needle enough to reopen the economy.
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:02 pm to Adam Banks
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I asked last night for a link to a story where a covid positive patient was refused HCQ and got nothing. One poster brought up the Nevada governors ban but as far as can be found that is the only place where it’s possible that patients aren’t getting treated with it.
This board as created this alternative universe where Dr Fauci has concocted a plan to sentence people to death by refusing hydroxychloroquine because he loved Hillary Clinton
Nobody has said he's sentencing people to death. The point is that he refuses to get behind a treatment that clearly is working for those who are using it. People keep trashing Trump for touting it, and Fauci is taking their side when he claims the drug hasn't been proven. The guy doesn't even know who's using it and what their results are. Reports keep coming in about it's effectiveness, and still Fauci downplays it.
He's a deep state plant. This is the same guy who said "this is nothing for Americans to be concerned about", in January, and now he wants us to stay at home until there are NO NEW CASES. That is insane, first of all, but what happened to him being an expert? Why the flip flop?
He's also the same guy who said "travel restrictions will be irrelevant if it becomes a pandemic". And now he thinks it was a swell idea. Wow... That's some expert you're defending to the death.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:04 pm to VOR
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scientific conclusion.
is this what we need right now?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:05 pm to FlexDawg
I am not big on vaccines but if I felt like I was dying , then I am down for anything that could save my life. Seems like this should be offered to anyone with COVID 19 who is likely to die.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:05 pm to moneyg
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It doesn't need to be a miracle cure. And, you as a doctor should know that. And, you are asking the wrong question. The question is whether it makes sense to administer the drug more widespread than is happening now, some say even prophylactically. The answer to that may be no. I have no idea. But, if this is the best treatment. And, doctors have already figured that out on their own (it sure seems that way), then we need to consider pushing that path forward and evaluating whether that moves the needle enough to reopen the economy.
You quoted the portion of my post that was a quote from someone else but since you responded to me I will respond to you. Not a doctor. My point is no one outside of one governor in Nevada is preventing anyone from getting hcq to patients who need it. Only problem is supply.
You want to use the defense act and ramp up production? Great! I would assume Trump is looking into that but no one who Is positive seems to be going without.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:12 pm to VOR
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That’s very intriguing, but it has little or no significance in terms of a scientific conclusion.
This statement is simply false! It isn't scientific results that are SOP for a having a drug approved for use for a certain ailment.
I am curious. Are you A: lying
B: stupid
C: evil and want people to die
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:13 pm to the808bass
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I’m not sure we need to move the needle to reopen the economy.
Even better
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:13 pm to Metaloctopus
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. The point is that he refuses to get behind a treatment that clearly is working for those who are using it
If he’s as y’all say is being negative and not wanting to go widespread with a treatment that “obviously” keeps people off the vent (which is a near death sentence in this disease is that not the same as
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sentencing people to death.
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Reports keep coming in about it's effectiveness, and still Fauci downplays i
There are reports in this thread from doctors with completely different results. If you look at Faucis quotes he’s being accurate to say there may be some benefit but we don’t know how much. This isn’t saying “don’t use the drug” it’s saying feel free to take it but we don’t know for sure that it will help.
Once again he is not stopping anyone and in fact in quotes I have seen has said by all means take it if you can’t get into a trial. Just wants as many people in a trial to prove its use before making a nationwide recommendation. I welcome a link to prove me wrong about someone with covid who can’t get hcq. If you have it post it
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:17 pm to FlexDawg
So a blurb from a Doc that works in an urgent care is all you guys need.
Why are we so desperate to actually make a thread about this guy. There are about 400 cases in the entirety of San Fernando valley, what is his n? 2? 1? 3?
Why are we so desperate to actually make a thread about this guy. There are about 400 cases in the entirety of San Fernando valley, what is his n? 2? 1? 3?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:18 pm to lsupride87
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We are pushing the drug for sure, and it’s working at times, but not close to being that magical
It’s working at times seems good enough for right now unless there is something else. Nobody is claiming it’s a 100 percent cure.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:29 pm to Adam Banks
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If he’s as y’all say is being negative and not wanting to go widespread with a treatment that “obviously” keeps people off the vent (which is a near death sentence in this disease is that not the same as
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sentencing people to death.
No, because it's not his call. Once again, this is about his unwillingness to get behind what has clearly been proven to work. It shows that he is purposefully unwilling to back something Trump supports, and because we all know Big Pharma wants to cook up some elaborate "miracle" drug, that'll cost twice as much, and be no more effective. Like they do with everything that they "approve".
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There are reports in this thread from doctors with completely different results. If you look at Faucis quotes he’s being accurate to say there may be some benefit but we don’t know how much. This isn’t saying “don’t use the drug” it’s saying feel free to take it but we don’t know for sure that it will help.
Once again he is not stopping anyone and in fact in quotes I have seen has said by all means take it if you can’t get into a trial. Just wants as many people in a trial to prove its use before making a nationwide recommendation. I welcome a link to prove me wrong about someone with covid who can’t get hcq. If you have it post it
You keep referencing these mystery doctors who say that it doesn't work, but they are FAR outnumbered by those who have vouched for it. There is not a treatment on planet Earth that is perfect.
And I don't know why you keep repeating yourself, saying Fauci's not stopping anyone from prescribing it, and asking us to show you proof that he has. NO ONE has made the claim, that I have yet seen, suggesting that he has "stopped" anyone from using it. What we all want to know, is why he continually discredits the validity of it's testing? What more does he need to see to say, "this is the most effective treatment, right now"?
Where was the "science" behind his claim that the travel restrictions would be "irrelevant"? Why the flip flop on whether this was something for Americans to "worry" about? You haven't addressed any of that. There is a pattern here, that many of us have noticed with him. And that is why nobody believes his BS.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:46 pm to Metaloctopus
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You keep referencing these mystery doctors who say that it doesn't work, but they are FAR outnumbered by those who have vouched for it.
Mystery doctor. No different then picking some random urgent care doctor in Los Angeles
You have selected articles that fit your viewpoint. There is a study in France that showed no benefit to the cocktail. Just as the initial study it was not well done so there is no reason based on that to say it has no benefit and I and you would be wrong to write it off based on that trial.
You know what can settle this back and forth he said she said? A well done clinical trial like dr fauci says. Until then? The decision should be between you and your doctor.....like dr fauci has done and said by saying all means take it anyways if you can’t get in a trial.
What more do you want? Hcq in the vending machine?
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:49 pm to the808bass
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It’s not a panacea. It almost certainly helps. And we should be using it.
Political Doctors are usually the worst DR's... Think about it, if they were really worth a shite, would they be working for the State of FedGov?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:09 pm to the808bass
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And we should be using it.
so you finally are ready to admit it works yet even yesterday you were still denying it works
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:12 pm to FlexDawg
This stuff could completely eradicate the disease tomorrow and the narrative would be “well, we still don’t know definitively whether or not it had an impact, and now that the virus is gone forever we will never know.”
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:21 pm to keakar
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so you finally are ready to admit it works yet even yesterday you were still denying it works
That’s the second time you’ve accused me of something I haven’t said. I’m starting to think you’re retarded.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:39 pm to the808bass
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the808bass
you responded to a thread yesterday saying that hydroxychloroquine works and your reply was
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Stop. That’s absolutely nonsense.
look in the mirror if you want to see a retard
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:43 pm to Adam Banks
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You have selected articles that fit your viewpoint. There is a study in France that showed no benefit to the cocktail. Just as the initial study it was not well done so there is no reason based on that to say it has no benefit and I and you would be wrong to write it off based on that trial.
You are so full of BS. I haven't provided random links to suit my viewpoint. Aside from the doctors in NY and LA who are touting it, there was a study of over 6 THOUSAND doctors around the world who have judged that this is the best treatment available for COVID.
I don't know what is so difficult for you to understand. I'm giving you far more than I should need to, and you just keep pretending that I have nothing, and am just spouting nonsense. Fauci is the one spouting nonsense. Maybe one day you'll stop worshiping him long enough to admit it.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:54 pm to the808bass
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That’s the second time you’ve accused me of something I haven’t said. I’m starting to think you’re retarded.
He’s not totally wrong. You have been one of the ones himming and hawing about it for months
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:55 pm to FlexDawg
Is he on suicide watch? This sort of news cannot be allowed to run.
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