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re: Do you honestly believe we are Independent?

Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:29 pm to
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actually, it is, by definition


youre a good little drone, i give you that much
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:30 pm to
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We are owned by the Federal Reserve and the International Banking Cabal. We are run by crony capitalism. Seriously, who are we independent of?



This country is bigger than you seem to think. Its not just banking, Wall st, politicians, DC, tweets and reading post.

Plenty of Americans live where they wish, do what they want and many live off the grid. Mountain folk, some on the plains, the outback of Alaska or people who spend much of their lives on the water all I think would take exception to your words.



Well of course, but you're talking about probably less than 1% of the population. And more power to them. But I'm talking about America in general. Are we independent. And if so, what are we independent of?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79933 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:31 pm to
I am arguing that because I see it everyday.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:32 pm to
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Are we independent. And if so, what are we independent of?


we have the best gun laws and freedom of speech, dont we folks?

so because of that lets just chalk up a big W for life in america

we are free boys
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:36 pm to
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we have the best gun laws and freedom of speech, dont we folks? so because of that lets just chalk up a big W for life in america


The vital roots of a great oak.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476636 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:36 pm to
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youre a good little drone, i give you that much

of the 2 of us, i'm the one who wants a lot more freedom in our respective idealistic versions of America

i just recognize that while we have a long way to go, we're still ahead of the field. that's worth something
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:37 pm to
I don't think anyone is arguing that they wish we were less 'free' or need to be less free.


But saying we are the best option on the block at the moment. I don't see how that is debatebale.

Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
39349 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:40 pm to
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We are independent of the British Empire
Are we?

Who was Woodrow Wilson talking about when he made this statement:
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"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence


In 1933, Roosevelt declared bankruptcy for the United States. To whom?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476636 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:41 pm to
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In 1933, Roosevelt declared bankruptcy for the United States. To whom?

well i don't even know if this happened, but when you declare bankruptcy, it's to your creditors

likely all the individuals and companies who had bought government bonds and companies/individuals with whom the government had contracts. declaring bankruptcy doesn't require a superior banking cabal
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
150327 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:46 pm to
Good little Sheeple answer, exactly what the establishment wants you to spew
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:46 pm to
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rocket31


You may be one of the few people on this board who gets this (this article was linked on Martin Berkhan Facebook feed...)

It relates to this thread as it is a false construct that is ensconced as part of "normal every day life" (consume...). Very few people think to question this...

LINK

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Priceonomics : How Breakfast Became a Thing By Alex Mayyasi


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You’ve probably heard that “breakfast is the most important meal of the day.” What you may not know is the origin of this ode to breakfast: a 1944 marketing campaign launched by Grape Nuts manufacturer General Foods to sell more cereal.


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The modern era of breakfast begins with cereal. Before its invention, breakfast was not as standard or routine. "The Romans believed it was healthier to eat only one meal a day," food historian Caroline Yeldham has said . Many Native Americans, Abigail Carroll writes in The Invention of the American Meal , ate bits of food throughout the day (rather than at set meals) and sometimes fasted for days at a time. Of medieval Europe, historians alternatingly write that breakfast was only a luxury for the rich, only a necessity for laborers, or mostly skipped. And while many American colonists ate breakfast, they were reputedly harried affairs that took place after hours of morning work.


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The Invention of Cereal Before cereal represented our over-sugared, overprocessed relationship with food, Americans viewed cereal as a health food. Its origins lie in health sanitariums run in the mid to late 1800s by some familiar names—like Dr. John Harvey Kellogg. It was a reform period when doctors were still often called quacks: Germ theory was just gaining prominence, and Dr. Kellogg’s favorite medical tool was a bath. His malady cures resembled spa treatments; “hydrotherapy” was popular at the time. Kellogg and his peers believed they could improve Americans’ health by changing their diets. They believed that too much meat and too many spices had negative effects, and they preferred whole grains to white breads. A dietary reformer named Sylvester Graham invented the graham cracker in 1827. James Caleb Jackson, who did not allow red meat at his sanitarium, invented a cereal that he named “granula” in 1863. And James Kellogg developed granola or corn flakes in the 1890s.




Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:48 pm to
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TX Tiger


Boy you have about the weirdest perspective on every issue including our independence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476636 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:50 pm to
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You may be one of the few people on this board who gets this


yes understanding a basic marketing campaign is far too advanced for us plebs
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:52 pm to
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yes understanding a basic marketing campaign is far too advanced for us plebs


Did not mean to insult. There are a ton of intelligent people on this board (some I agree with, some I disagree with). I enjoy your contributions SFP

I was referencing rocket's approach to eating (intermittent fasting)
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134890 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:54 pm to
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That's why I asked the question. Five pages later, nobody (not one) has an honest answer.

This board fascinates me. Collectively, it is PETRIFIED of the truth, and I'm not sure why considering that human beings are naturally curious creatures and seeking truth would seem to be the most natural of acts.

Not here. The desperate attempt at clinging to their myths is the most entertaining part of all.
We are just so lucky to have YOU, one of the few persons on Earth, who "gets it" to enlighten us ignorant sheople.

Thank you so much for your insight...























Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
39349 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:54 pm to
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You're talking about written laws; I'm talking about independence.


if laws don't take away our independence, then i'd love to hear what does


So you're saying we're independent from government because the laws are on our side?
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:55 pm to
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yes understanding a basic marketing campaign is far too advanced for us plebs




This is top secret conspiracy theory shite that's way over our heads. The "breakfast" conspiracy reached its peak with the creation of Frosted Flakes.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:56 pm to
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Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence

I'm bored and want to watch you spin your wheels

Source that Wilson quote.

This is gonna be fun
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 10:22 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476636 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:56 pm to
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So you're saying we're independent from government because the laws are on our side?

no that's not what i said or implied
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17963 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:57 pm to
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Seriously, who are we independent of?


Our debtors, if we decide to not pay.
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