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re: Do you ever wonder just how propagandized you are?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:18 pm to gaetti15
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:18 pm to gaetti15
Yeah, absolutely, and there's a massive demand side for belief-reinforcement too - we tend to prefer information that confirms what we already believe. Even if LLM makers created a neutral product, we'd likely use it in ways to reinforce priors.
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:24 pm to sorantable
Propaganda has always been a thing, but we are constantly surrounded by it now. The rise of social media and advanced technology has established a post-truth world. Our minds are not made to be flooded with the information and junk we are constantly exposed to, and it’s breaking us as a society and our connection to reality.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:26 pm to sorantable
Everyone is to some degree. No one is immune to it.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:28 pm to sorantable
Thanks Obama
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:28 pm to DyeHardDylan
I can relate to that take. What do you think that actually looks like in practice - losing connection to reality? Like is it more people believing false things or more people just not trusting anything at all?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:28 pm to sorantable
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I’m starting to feel like none of us have any idea what’s actually going on in the world.
We don’t. Makes you wonder who does.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:32 pm to TigerDoc
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losing connection to reality? Like is it more people believing false things or more people just not trusting anything at all?
The laziest option is the option most often taken. It's that simple, and it involves zero, "wait, I should see if there is another non Reuters source for this." Remember, from the old school paper days, "if it bleeds it leads." That's not reasoned judgment or skepticism, it's Real Housewives adrenaline spikes.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:42 pm to LemmyLives
There’s definitely some truth to that - most people aren’t digging very deep most of the time. I think part of it is also just how much stuff people are trying to process now and the fact that massive business models rely on platforms efficiently competing to take our attention and put it where they want it. Between time, attention, and the sheer volume of information, it’s kind of hard to treat every story like a research project, so a lot of the time we go with what’s easiest to process in the moment (usually not the most complete version).
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:54 pm to sorantable
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The truth is objective, but man, I’m starting to feel like none of us have any idea what’s actually going on in the world. It’s unsettling.
I appreciate the way you framed this in an age where everyone is so sure of themselves. The wisest people doubt and question what they know. Question themselves.
Many people will upvote your post interpreting it as exaltation of conspiratorial thinking, but I read it as more than that.
Good for you.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:59 pm to TigerDoc
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between time, attention, and the sheer volume of information,
Notifications are not information (I fully understand what you're saying, but I'm tired of excuse, after excuse.) The attention problem is a choice. I get that some of us are in the odd category of, "that sounds too clean, let me spend 90 seconds looking for a contrarian take."
It's triage, though. Not *every* story is a research project, and eventually after enough years of it, you know what is 99% hyperbolic or bullshite and ignore it. "In the moment" describes (I'm not coming after you, just describing my take) what is used on ballistic missile attacks the same way it's used on whether little Sandra was selling her cookies at the wrong door of Home Depot. One deserves more brainpower than the other. But the vast majority spend the same amount of brain activity on both.
And, you can always go down the rabbit hole of how many "special citizens" still Google stuff pretending like it's neutral.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:01 pm to sorantable
All the time. Especially on this board when I see how easily views change.
The biggest tell for me is we never see any comments made by Putin or other world leader that are adversaries . They don’t want us to hear what other world leaders are saying.
The biggest tell for me is we never see any comments made by Putin or other world leader that are adversaries . They don’t want us to hear what other world leaders are saying.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:01 pm to TigerDoc
When obvious opinion is injected into a news story (regardless of the slant) and is masquerading as fact I object to it. I long ago stopped going to Fox for the same reason I don't entertain MSNBC. Trump is human and can do good and bad things. He isn't a savior or the devil incarnate. Save that stuff for opinion pieces and I won't complain whatsoever. I find NHK to be very matter of fact as the articles tend to be shorter. I was just looking a quick look at NHK & CBS's stories on the reports of negotiations with Iran. CBS included more details in the story. Some of which weren't about the negotiations but about the greater impact of the war and relations between our nations. I don't have a problem with that as increased context is a good thing.
Generally things will line up when facts are being reported on. Which is what I'm interested in. If that bolsters my views so be it and if they challenge my views I welcome it too. I take serious objection to when media reports will omit parts of a story to create a narrative.
The poliboard, which I love, can be quite the experience.
sometimes I'm wondering what in the hell did I just read (in both good and bad ways) from posters that I probably agree with 99% of the time and libs that I will rarely agree with.
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Out of curiosity, do those three feel pretty distinct to you, or do they ever kind of line up in how they frame things?
Generally things will line up when facts are being reported on. Which is what I'm interested in. If that bolsters my views so be it and if they challenge my views I welcome it too. I take serious objection to when media reports will omit parts of a story to create a narrative.
The poliboard, which I love, can be quite the experience.
sometimes I'm wondering what in the hell did I just read (in both good and bad ways) from posters that I probably agree with 99% of the time and libs that I will rarely agree with. This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:04 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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appreciate the way you framed this in an age where everyone is so sure of themselves. The wisest people doubt and question what they know.
Funny you mention that. This will likely pain you, but Israel established this as the 10th man rule after the Six Day War.
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if everyone agrees on an assessment, someone is explicitly assigned to argue the opposite.
The point was simple and painfully earned:
Consensus can be dangerous
Groupthink kills faster than bad data
Institutional skepticism has to be designed, not hoped for
So the “tenth man” isn’t saying the opposite because he believes it.
He’s doing it because someone has to stress-test reality before reality stress-tests you.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:06 pm to LemmyLives
These people have been bamboozled. If someone sent me a bunch of anonymous tweets from the Oscars and a bunch of posts from this board there’d be no way to tell the difference anymore.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:07 pm to LemmyLives
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Funny you mention that. This will likely pain you, but Israel established this as the 10th man rule after the Six Day War.
It’s a neat rule.
Doesn’t pain me at all.
Makes me think of the social experiment where everyone but one guy is a plant going down the line saying they see something in a picture that isn’t there.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:12 pm to LemmyLives
If I were to listen to podcasts they would be political almost by default. But we have music playing most of the day. I've got Sly and The Family Stone playing right now. Music is better for when I'm working. Which I should probably get back to before I get myself in trouble...
Music is better for when I'm working. Which I should probably get back to before I get myself in trouble... Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:15 pm to LemmyLives
Ha, yes. Triage is the right word for it - at some point you’ve got to make judgment calls. I do get torn on it, though. I want to take responsibility as a consumer of information, but I’ve also had times where something felt like obvious BS at first glance, then turned out to be more complicated than I thought. Makes me wonder how much even my own triage is getting nudged sometimes.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:27 pm to Figgy
I like that approach, especially being open to stuff that challenges your own views. That’s rarer than people think. A tricky aspect is that even when everyone’s reporting "facts" they can still end up telling slightly different stories just based on what gets emphasized or left out (& not even in a dishonest way - just different judgments about what matters). I’ve noticed that’s where I can get tripped up sometimes more than outright bias.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:38 pm to TigerDoc
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something felt like obvious BS at first glance, then turned out to be more complicated than I thought.
I don't know how old you are, but you start to feel the discordance at some point. You make decisions, and that's just it. This is the way my family is going to be. It's over. I don't care what the algorithm shows me, my 10 year old knows how to work the 12ga. If you have a bedrock standard of values, it lets us ignore stuff that is irrelevant, or engagement trolling. You just do you for your family. Fake "no guns allowed" sign. Not sorry to disappoint you, but...
But, I also know that all my kvetching about my state senator that is a dick, or the assessment district that sees hundreds of thousands of people get laid off in Houston and raises property valuations to the max permitted by law will result in nothing. I check out. "Market values are not indicative of assessed value." Verbatim statement. That's what impacted my family (and everyone else in the county) more than any random shite that ended up on Fox or CNN.
It is exhausting, but it's my job to try to leave the best Texas I can to my kids.
Triage ends up more local than anything else.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 11:45 pm to LemmyLives
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Meanwhile, you have 1/3 a of this board that has Israel derangement syndrome based on crap they watched on Instagram.
This is a very shallow, closed minded way to think.
There are some of us that have spent 20 years doing intensive research.
Expanding your knowledge and trying to discover truth takes courage, hard work, and having the ability to be called a weirdo, a conspiracy theorist, a whack job, etc. and not let it stop you from expanding your knowledge and seek truth in a world full of lies.
Most people don’t want the truth. They only want to have their ideology substantiated.
Discovering that so many things that you were taught and you believed to be true is actually a lie is very disheartening, disturbing, and can be quite depressing.
Most people are hard headed, stubborn, and unwilling to admit that what they firmly believe to be a fact is actually a lie. To be open minded, use critical thinking skills, and be willing to constantly evolve is hard work.
It’s easy for someone like you to be dismissive of people who think different than you.
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