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re: Do people not understand that DOGE isn't an actual Government Department ?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:48 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:48 am to imjustafatkid
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We HAD the greatest system in the world because you could get all the help you needed...and just file bankruptcy if it was too much.
Sounds awesome for people can't imagine why they wanted change....
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Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:49 am to imjustafatkid
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Like back when John McCain cucked the whole country?
Trump had no plan to replace then. He's said exactly as much. He pushed repeal and McCain stopped him because his constituents would have been adversely affected by a straight repeal.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:51 am to Norway
It's a modern version of the 1984 Grace Commission.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:52 am to oklahogjr
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Trump had no plan to replace then. He's said exactly as much. He pushed repeal and McCain stopped him because his constituents would have been adversely affected by a straight repeal.
There doesn't need to be a "plan to replace." What we had before has always been better for the overwhelming majority of Americans.
"One size fits all" fixes have never and will never work anywhere.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:53 am to Norway
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Do people not understand that DOGE isn't an actual Government Department ?
Duh. DOGE will essentially be an outside-of-government advisory commission that will advise the Trump Admin about areas where there is waste in the federal government so that the Admin can look at making cuts in those areas.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:56 am to oklahogjr
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Sounds awesome for people can't imagine why they wanted change....
Yes, getting your extremely expensive health care for the simple cost of "bad credit" is an AMAZING deal.
By contrast, places with "universal healthcare" would just recommend assisted suicide for these people. You think that's better?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 11:57 am to imjustafatkid
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There doesn't need to be a "plan to replace." What we had before has always been better for the overwhelming majority of Americans.
"One size fits all" fixes have never and will never work anywhere.
Lot of Americans disagree with exactly what you said here.
What's really crazy is the discrepancy between those who love the aca and the main provisions there(preexisting conditions, age increase to stay with parents, marketplaces) but hate Obamacare...
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:00 pm to Norway
Do people know that Trump can fire nuclear weapons at Indonesia? I hope he doesnt do it, but he is not up for re-election.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:01 pm to Norway
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start cutting Social Security
I can’t tell you how thrilled I would be if they moved the SS age up. Social Security is the ultimate “frick you” to younger generations.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:03 pm to Norway
So cut entitlement programs, just not MY entitlement programs? Nah frick that. I’m all for deep reform of SS. I should be able to choose where to invest my retirement, the government should not be responsible for it. They’ve proven they are the worst money managers in the country.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:08 pm to Norway
quote:Or when you’re young, perfectly healthy, but still working your way through school and your insurance goes from $120/month to $700 over a 2 year span and you can’t afford it anymore. Because that’s what happened to me when ACA passed and I went several years without health insurance because it became unaffordable until I started climbing the career ladder. I made too little to actually afford it, but too much to get any subsidy through the ACA marketplace
But if your premiums go from $400 a month to $10,000 a month because of your preexisting condition then you aren't going to have coverage.
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:09 pm to udtiger
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How about we see their recommendations before we freak out about it?
That’s the insanity of it. You don’t have to be a rocket surgeon to identify the waste in government. There are several organizations that track stupid spending programs for decades.
It isn’t really that difficult to find the waste and make a recommendation. It’s getting it implemented that’s going to be the challenge.
I’ll gladly eat crow if anything more than a few “around the edges” cuts are made.
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:15 pm to Norway
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But if your premiums go from $400 a month to $10,000 a month because of your preexisting condition then you aren't going to have coverage.
So, you think the government should force a company to lose money on a person?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 3:44 pm to oklahogjr
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Lot of Americans disagree with exactly what you said here.
They think they do, but they also know what we have now is not affordable and they aren't getting great healthcare for what they're paying. They just don't understand why.
If our old system was so awful, we wouldn't have such a major illegal alien problem because they aren't included in the law.
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What's really crazy is the discrepancy between those who love the aca and the main provisions there(preexisting conditions, age increase to stay with parents, marketplaces) but hate Obamacare...
It's weird how you pulled out pieces most people never had a problem with and ignored things like...the individual mandate, Medicaid expansion, the illegally implemented cost-sharing program, the contraception mandate, standardized medical record-keeping that has cause doctor's offices to hire extra staff they didn't need before, the medical device excise tax, etc. You have to deflect from the overwhelming problems with the law in order to defend it.
A lot of people just don't remember how much better insurance was before. A bunch of people weren't in the market yet at that point, and we've had a generation born since then. The longer this garbage law continues to exist, the fewer people who will still remember. Similar to social security and Medicaid.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 3:51 pm to TJack
Shut down npr and pbs
Posted on 11/16/24 at 3:52 pm to imjustafatkid
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like...the individual mandate,
Struck down in court....
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Medicaid expansion,
Isn't trump advocating for expansion again in agenda 48. Maybe they was medicare, but trump wants expansion here...
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standardized medical record-keeping
Most people I know love digital doctor records and ability to transmit them...
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You have to deflect from the overwhelming problems with the law in order to defend it.
I'm simply pointing out the parts of the law people love. Repeal without a replacement immediately pisses off tons of voters which is why it's routinely failed....
Posted on 11/16/24 at 3:55 pm to Norway
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Do people not understand that DOGE isn't an actual Government Department ?
Yes, and the Federal Reserve isn’t a federal office, is unconstitutional and answers to no one.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 3:56 pm to udtiger
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I absolutely could see them proposing a revision of SS to allow younger workers to opt out (while still paying into SS in some part).
100% chance this will happen.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 3:59 pm to Norway
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But if your premiums go from $400 a month to $10,000 a month because of your preexisting condition then you aren't going to have coverage.
we get it. you are a one-trick pony.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 4:27 pm to oklahogjr
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Most people I know love digital doctor records and ability to transmit them...
This is hard to believe. In practice, all this has done is increase costs. It is only marginally more convenient than simply getting your doctor to send your records to your other doctor. From a patient standpoint, I'm not sure how anyone could possibly claim this has changed anything. I do nothing different to get my records transferred than I did before. Only the process my doctors are forced to follow has changed.
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Isn't trump advocating for expansion again in agenda 48. Maybe they was medicare, but trump wants expansion here..
I have no idea what you're talking about. I've seen him say he wants to eliminate other spending so the programs do not have to face cuts. Have not seen anything about expanding.
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Repeal without a replacement
Is a lie, because it assumes nothing existed before. We need to return to whatever you want to call what was replaced by Obamacare, and focus on actual reforms of health care instead of health insurance. As long as we keep pretending changing insurance will somehow fix health care, we will never fix the problem.
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