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re: Do gay people lie more frequently than straight people?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:05 pm to braindeadboxer
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:05 pm to braindeadboxer
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For an individual to not feel an innate attraction to opposite sex is by definition a mental disorder.
What if it's a biological response to an environmental stress? Certain individuals could have a genetic predisposition that becomes expressed under certain environmental conditions - like overpopulation, or lack of nutrition. In other words a natural response to slow down the reproductive rate to a rate supportable by the carrying capacity of the environment.
The Lord works in mysterious ways...
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:06 pm to KeyserSoze999
The #1 lie told by most gay people is that they weren't diddled/raped by an adult family member of the same sex at an early age.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:08 pm to ManBearTiger
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What if it's a biological response to an environmental stress
That's the field of epigenetics and I'd be surprised if that doesn't inform sexual orientation at all.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:12 pm to ManBearTiger
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The #1 lie told by most gay people is that they weren't diddled/raped by an adult family member of the same sex at an early age.
I find this pretty infuriating. I'm gay and was never sexually abused. There was someone in my neighborhood who ended up being convicted for kiddy porn. To this day my father still asks me, despite me saying no a million times, if that neighbor ever touched me. You sure seem pretty matter-of-fact about something you have no experience with.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:14 pm to jbond
Actually, I have plenty of experience with it, most of the gays I know well have admitted to being abused sexually as a child. So an adult family member didn't touch your weiner? Was it one of the older boys at camp that forced you into doing something you don't like talking about?
Anyone who thinks homosexuality "just happens" or is a genetic trait is talking out of their arse with no science to back it up.
Anyone who thinks homosexuality "just happens" or is a genetic trait is talking out of their arse with no science to back it up.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:15 pm to KeyserSoze999
I can answer the OP question easily.
Humans aren't terribly complicated. If you create an environment where people perceive that their particular group gets absolute default "belief", then you create an environment where a willingness to make shite up increases.
People, even people of average intelligence, recognize if the social landscape is to be incredulous when they make a claim or if it that same social landscape is scared shitless to question their claims.
So, the answer isn't so much that gays(or women, or blacks) naturally lie more. It's that we've created an environment that pretty much guarantees that they will lie more. Because, they're just normal human beings who are being friggin encouraged to lie!
Humans aren't terribly complicated. If you create an environment where people perceive that their particular group gets absolute default "belief", then you create an environment where a willingness to make shite up increases.
People, even people of average intelligence, recognize if the social landscape is to be incredulous when they make a claim or if it that same social landscape is scared shitless to question their claims.
So, the answer isn't so much that gays(or women, or blacks) naturally lie more. It's that we've created an environment that pretty much guarantees that they will lie more. Because, they're just normal human beings who are being friggin encouraged to lie!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:18 pm to KeyserSoze999
Depends on the person
Hard to scientifically prove this theory
Hard to scientifically prove this theory
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:18 pm to ManBearTiger
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Anyone who thinks homosexuality "just happens" or is a genetic trait is talking out of their arse with no science to back it up.
But they should listen to you and your educated and eloquent comments on the subject such as:
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So an adult family member didn't touch your weiner? Was it one of the older boys at camp that forced you into doing something you don't like talking about?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:21 pm to TOKEN
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Depends on the person
Honestly, it doesn't.
60 years ago, if you were white and claimed a black person committed a crime, you knew that the default was to believe you. Hence, it was fairly common for white people to lie about black people.
Today, we've simply changed which groups we socially encourage to lie. But, the social encouragement still exists.
quote:My guess is, it's fairly easy to study and, I'm betting it's already been studied.
Hard to scientifically prove this theory
By "it", I mean the concept that people placed in a situation where they know that people will be scared to doubt their claims, will be more likely to lie than people not placed in that situation.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:21 pm to piggilicious
So... absent any retort of value, I take it you agree with my obviously correct assertion regarding homosexuality in adulthood being caused by traumatic sexual abuse suffered in childhood?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:23 pm to ManBearTiger
No, I do not agree with your assertion in the slightest.
Please explain your scientific research on the subject - aside from 'most of the gays I know' theory.
Please explain your scientific research on the subject - aside from 'most of the gays I know' theory.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:24 pm to piggilicious
Then you disagree with the sum total of every bit of data collected on the topic of homosexuality in the last century. SCIENCE! IT JUST HAPPENS!
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:33 pm to ManBearTiger
You're saying that scientists have concluded that gays are gay because they were molested? That is bullshite- how can you even pretend it's not? There may be a higher rate of molestation but so what- you're swathing a whole group of people with some fake science.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:41 pm to DelU249
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So if it's not a choice and it's not innate to a person, what then, in your opinion, is it?
It’s an attraction you develop. Not like you have a choice in that either.
I'm not sure if that is politically correct, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 2:46 pm to piggilicious
Everyone spewing “born that way” is ignoring human history. Research the ancient Greeks and Romans. It was “acceptable” for men to have young boy lovers so they did. They chose to be homo or bisexual by either being diddled as a child or because society deemed it “appropriate.” Not because of a shift of predetermined sexual attraction statistics for that era.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:00 pm to sparkinator
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It was “acceptable” for men to have young boy lovers so they did. They chose to be homo or bisexual by either being diddled as a child or because society deemed it “appropriate.” Not because of a shift of predetermined sexual attraction statistics for that era.
So, if you'd lived in those times you'd have been attracted to and having sex with young boys because you felt it was acceptable. Got it.
I'm really beginning to question some of you straight guys in this thread. I know for sure who I am attracted to and who I am not- I don't think another person's opinion would change what my body wants or how it reacts.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:12 pm to ManBearTiger
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ManBearTiger
Go frick yourself.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:16 pm to piggilicious
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So, if you'd lived in those times you'd have been attracted to and having sex with young boys because you felt it was acceptable. Got it.
Statistics say you probably would have participated if you lived in that era.
It was an affront to nature and completely immoral. It was a dark time in human history when abominations like this took place.
One would like to think that they would completely buck the societal mores of the time. But the fact is it was a common practice. Many practiced it and until that society regected those stances, men indulged themselves on young boys.
I’m thankful I didn’t have live during a time like that. A person never knows what they would do whenever the society they live in is completely immoral and pagan.
But this only points out that homosexuality is a learned activity. Not an inherent one.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 2/20/19 at 3:19 pm to Antonio Moss
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So you don’t believe in genetic predisposition?
a predisposition would only be a tendency to react to a certain influence. That's not the same as being born with something or as someone
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