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re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites

Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:53 pm to
Posted by somethingdifferent
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:53 pm to
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They weren't monotheistic until around the 7th century BC during their wars with the Assyrians
They were always monotheistic

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Zero archeological evidence to back this up
The old Israel Finkelstein "nah nah nah, I don't hear you." What evidence would you expect to find? BTW, this issue has already been hashed out for about 150 years. It's hilarious when people dredge up gotchas from the 1800s
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Jews came from Isaac and the Arabs came from Ishmael


I don't know a single Catholic who believes this ^ literally.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:55 pm to
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They were always monotheistic

No. They weren't.
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What evidence would you expect to find?
Are you retarded?
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:55 pm to
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that would make Mary the mother of God
The first followers of Jesus did not maintain any sort of belief that Mary was assumed into heaven or that she was sinless or that she was the "mother of God." That is a later, ecclesiastic invention
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:56 pm to
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They were always monotheistic


Naw

But you've made it clear you're rejecting the evidence that contradicts your world view in advance.

On brand
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 1:57 pm
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:58 pm to
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So Jesus wasn’t devine when he was born? When did he become divine?
Jesus, as God, temporarily set aside his heavenly privilege to take on a second nature here on Earth. It's called the hypostatic union

It partially answers the question of what the gospel is. God suffered and sacrificed himself to take on our sin debt so that we could be redeemed, reconciled to God.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 1:59 pm to
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Are you talking about ashkenazi and sephardic jews?


Even more specific. The German, Polish and Russian Jews. It's like Bibi's dad changed their last name from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:01 pm to
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The Egyptian captivity objectively never happened. Longterm exposure leaves cultural markers as well as genetic markers. The lack of either makes it clear that the whole thing was entirely made up to justify genocide against their close kinsmen who refused to embrace their faith.
It's just amazing that people will go to their graves claiming that absence of evidence equals absence of evidence. No serious scholar maintains such a view. Besides, it's not that there's NO evidence. Just that the evidence is inconclusive from a strictly academic standpoint, which is ok.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:02 pm to
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No. They weren't.
Of course they were. Who told you they weren't?

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Are you retarded?
Nope. I asked you a simple question
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:02 pm to
Outside of Khazarian-based CTs, I'll never understand why y'all are so obsessed with Ashkenazi Jews. Judaism is a religion and it's portable without any ethnic component or requirement, the same as Christianity or Islam.


If we were to discuss a DNA analysis of early Christians, bringing up Latino, Asian, or Sub-Saharan African Christians as some gotcha would be quite silly, don't you agree?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:03 pm to
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No serious scholar maintains such a view.


Funny, considering you've curated the list of serious scholars to exclude those with scholarship and evidence contrary to your positions.

Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:04 pm to
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Canaanite religion is from Abraham? They were polytheistic, no?


Jewish line descended thru Isaac, Abraham’s son thru his wife, Sarah.

Arab line descended thru Abraham’s illegitimate son, Ishmael, thru his concubine, Hagar.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1549 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:05 pm to
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Naw
Not one person claiming this nonsense has produced ANY evidence that the Hebrews/Jews/Israelites were not always monotheistic, apart from some temporary dalliances. Yet, these same people continue to parrot unhistorical crap

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But you've made it clear you're rejecting the evidence that contradicts your world view in advance
:lol: :lol: :lol:

OH MY WORD THIS IS RICH

I've been asking you the same question for weeks and you WON'T ANSWER

Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
Posted by Augustus516
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:06 pm to
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It is and I quoted one of the passages


Not trying to beat a dead horse, but a seemingly central teaching about worshipping God should be flush with references throughout the Bible, not just one or two scriptures taken out of context. In fact, the Bible narrative and the myriad of scriptures gives an opposing view, namely, notable pagan nations worshipped many Gods, including godhead triunes, and God’s people were constantly warned about it.

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Which is of course one aspect of the trinity


Show me the Trinity in the OT. One scripture that proves the Israelites were fully aware they worshipping God, his Son, and some Impersonal Force or Spirit. And then, for every scripture in the NT that you quote proves Jesus and God are equal parts of a godhead, I will give you at least 5 where Jesus says or implies the Father (God) is greater than him.

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Have you researched the eponym "son of man" and what its purpose is?


Have not researched it but in a basic sense it is used to refer to exclusively Jesus in most instances. The writers did so to identify him as the fleshly human Jesus, not to be mistaken with an angel that would materialize a human body.

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None of this true. We aren't "drifting" from Bible teachings


Lets start with the social issues: Many churches are now teaching wealth/prosperity, approving of homosexual ministers, teaching celibacy, adopted a slew of celebrations with pagan roots that none of the early Christians celebrated, involved in politics when Jesus said Christians would be neutral to worldly affairs…these are just the main ones i can think of atm.

This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:07 pm to
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I've been asking you the same question for weeks and you WON'T ANSWER

I did answer, in this thread.

You apparently thought Jesus deserved to be killed by the Romans and took offense to my disagreement with Pilate's ruling
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1549 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:07 pm to
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considering you've curated the list of serious scholars to exclude those with scholarship and evidence contrary to your positions
If you disagree, let's see you actually support your claims instead of crapping all over a thread and then running away when you get challenged

Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:09 pm to
Ruh roe Raggie!

Just let me believe my Sunday teacher's history lessons, they're the expert here!
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:09 pm to
If only there was a book that told us all this
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:11 pm to
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DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites


It's always great when science finally catches up to The Truth.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1549 posts
Posted on 5/26/25 at 2:13 pm to
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a seemingly central teaching about worshipping God should be flush with references throughout the Bible
Ah, so you're making up some artificial criteria and then saying it's false because it doesn't do what you think it should do. That's not how serious scholarship works

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not just one or two scriptures taken out of context
Nothing I said was "out of context." It was a literal reference

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Show me the Trinity in the OT
Oh my word. I don't have time to give you an education on the trinity. Can you just google it?

The first thing I found outside of a full academic bibliography

Before you go make claims about stuff, how about you actually study the topic from an academic level

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Have not researched it
Then you should probably sit this one out until you do

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Many churches are now teaching wealth/prosperity, approving of homosexual ministers, teaching celibacy, adopted a slew of celebrations with pagan roots that none of the early Christians celebrated, involved in politics when Jesus said Christians would be neutral to worldly affairs
But the truth of scripture hasn't been injured one bit by people doing these things. You are conflating societal/cultural issues with the truth of scripture
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