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re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That was actually a bigger "bold" move, IMHO, than referencing dragons.
In which bibles is the Book of Enoch canon?
Well, congrats on distilling my entire post down to the above "GOTCHA!"
For clarification, the FIRST Book of Enoch is technically designated as "Apocrypha" because is not considered "Holy Spirit Inspired", however, it remains so valid and credible source of truth that both Jude quoted from it, as well as Peter (Jude 1:14-15, from Enoch 1, and 2 Peter 2:4, from Enoch 10 and 67 respectively.)
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:28 pm to FooManChoo
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The Biblical narrative of creation is self-interpreted by the rest of the Scriptures as being a literal account.
Jesus taught so from His words, and Moses did, as well, in recounting the giving of the law where in the 4th commandment is based on creation, being patterned after 6 literal days. Paul references a literal Adam and literal Eve (Rom. 5:12–19; 1 Cor. 15:21–22, 45–49; 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Tim. 2:13–14) and the author of Hebrews seems to interpret the days of creation as literal (Hebrews 4:3-4).
Truth, brutha. Truth. Let it stand strong and bright to the Highest Heaven.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:28 pm to FooManChoo
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My usage of the words "the clues are" were an attempt on my part to be gentle and collegial with my language. I believe that Jesus couldn't have been more clear in what He meant, which is why I provided the reasoning as I did.
Fair enough. But you're still inferring meaning based on your beliefs. We all do that. The problem is when what one person infers from a non specific statement becomes a required belief for everyone else.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:32 pm to EphesianArmor
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"Dinosaurs" if they exist were merely dragons.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:42 pm to Old Money
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Protestants smh... thank science for catholics
Yeah, and in case there is any question where the Vatican stands on "Science" (and God), we can look to the heretic 'Big Bang' fabricator, by "Father" Georges Lemaître in 1927, their 'Lucifer' telescope (searching for "aliens"??), its agnosticism or outright support of the impossible theory of "Evolution", and its constant support of Scientism's anti-Bible agenda.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 12:46 pm to Mo Jeaux
Muh-Dinosaurs!! Muh-T-Rex!!" "Muh-Fossils!!" "Muh-Museum Skeletons!! "Muh-Missing Links!!" "Muh-BILLLLLLIONS of years!!" Muh-BIG BANG!!"
The "Evidence": "THE SCIENCE sez so!!"

The "Evidence": "THE SCIENCE sez so!!"
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:02 pm to L.A.
quote:Well, the issue is that the Bible claims to be the very word of God. If it is (I believe it is), and there is a teaching in there, then we are to understand and believe it, since God hasn't given His revelation to be ignored or dismissed.
Fair enough. But you're still inferring meaning based on your beliefs. We all do that. The problem is when what one person infers from a non specific statement becomes a required belief for everyone else.
The issue is whether or not we are understanding and interpreting the Bible correctly to come to the right understanding. That's why we take the time to read it, study it, pray over it, look to other godly, knowledgeable men's thoughts, and overall seek the Lord's guidance by His Spirit to help us understand it. We are then supposed to teach it to others to help them understand it.
All of that to say, truth matters, and we should be striving to know and understand it.
Regarding your concern about making doctrines "required belief[s]": that depends on the belief. I think the biblical teaching of creation is just as clear as the teaching of the Trinity, even if the Trinity has much more support in terms of volume of textual data in the Bible. Obviously those two things are very different in terms of necessity for salvation. While no one must accept a young earth view of creation, no one can reject the doctrine of the Trinity and be saved.
Likewise for evolution. Evolution, in itself, is not a primary doctrine that determines whether one is a Christian or not, however it can lead to that. If a person accepts theistic evolution, for instance, but believes that all people are guilty of sin and that Christ died to justify sinners, then that person can be saved in spite of that evolutionary belief. However, if someone who believes in evolution lets that belief cast doubt on the accuracy and authority of Scripture, so that Christ's existence or teaching on salvation or man's fallenness is put into doubt, then that could lead someone away from orthodoxy and even salvation.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 1:30 pm to EphesianArmor
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Dinosaurs" if they exist were merely dragons.
We talking Komodo or Game of Thrones?
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:41 pm to FooManChoo
quote:So all of the brilliant Bible experts who aren't YEC get this wrong? That seems awfully hard to believe. What's more likely is yom is being interpreted in an extremely narrow way that wasn't intended by the creation narrative
creation as a literal 6-day event, as Jesus taught
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:47 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:This is absolutely not definitive because the Jews did not always interpret yom to mean a 24 hour period.
In the context of the time period and the audience, He absolutely was referring to a six literal days
quote:Again, not necessarily the case because that wasn't the point of the creation story anyway.
if you believe the Scripture is authoritative then you are led to believe in a literal, six day creative act
I wish I could understand why people have to take such a hard stance on the age of the earth, whether from a biblical standpoint or scientific. It's completely unnecessary
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:51 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:Again, this is not the case. A word study of yom will show that. It MIGHT be the case but it's not definitively the case
It's clearly laid out in his 6-Days Creation
quote:Biblical lineages did not always include every single generation
using the Adamic lineage and lifespans as markers
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:04 pm to FooManChoo
quote:While the Bible does record accurate facts about the world and continues to be vindicated more and more, it was never intended to be a scientific treatise. The Bible can still be accurate and harmonize with science while using the phenomenological language of the day or metaphorical language. Interpretational problems arise when this truth is ignored in favor of a needlessly strict interpretation. Yom is an example. There is no need to force it into a literal 24 hour period. No need whatsoever. To do so ignores the semantic range of the word in other usages and clashes with the intention of the passage
Well, the issue is that the Bible claims to be the very word of God. If it is (I believe it is), and there is a teaching in there, then we are to understand and believe it, since God hasn't given His revelation to be ignored or dismissed
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:08 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:YEC was the predominant view in history with a few notable outliers until recently. What changed? Scientific consensus causing biblical scholars to attempt to reinterpret the Bible, IMO.
So all of the brilliant Bible experts who aren't YEC get this wrong? That seems awfully hard to believe.
There are a lot of brilliant Bible experts who are wrong on all sorts of things. The age of the earth being defined by scientists, and society generally accepting that view has created a lot of social pressure for Christians to get on board with that view, too. Just look at this board. There is outright mockery of anyone who claims the earth is young. That seems more plausible than interpretations changing organically based on further study of the text, itself.
quote:It's interpreted narrowly based on the context it resides in.
What's more likely is yom is being interpreted in an extremely narrow way that wasn't intended by the creation narrative
While "day" (yom) can have multiple meanings, its meaning in a particular passage is based on context. In Genesis 1, "day" is paired with the words "morning", "evening", and a number ("first", "second", etc.)
What other passages of the Bible have "day" interpreted as "age" or "season" or "expanse of time" with both "morning" and "evening" and a number (i.e., "first") associated with it? Not to mention that the same author (Moses) describes creation as a pattern for the 4th commandment, which is the Sabbath day of a literal 7-day week.
I completely understand the temptation for Christians to try to reconcile the text with scientific and societal consensus, but the natural reading of the text just doesn't support that.
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:12 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:As I and others have said, there are a few reasons for why the stance is hard.
I wish I could understand why people have to take such a hard stance on the age of the earth, whether from a biblical standpoint or scientific. It's completely unnecessary
First, it is important for Christians to seek to understand God's revelation accurately. If we believe God has revealed a younger age for the earth, then faithfulness to Scripture requires Christians to be vocal about it.
Second, there really are theological ramifications for the age of the Earth, both in terms of the reliability of the Scriptures themselves, as well as essential doctrines like original sin.
It's not some arbitrary position as some make it out to be.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:16 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:I agree. The Bible isn't intended to speak authoritatively about every possible topic, but those things which it speaks about, it does so authoritatively. I believe creation is one of those things it speaks to.
While the Bible does record accurate facts about the world and continues to be vindicated more and more, it was never intended to be a scientific treatise.
quote:I agree completely. It's why we need to study the Scriptures to understand what meaning is intended to be conveyed by the author, using the context provided.
The Bible can still be accurate and harmonize with science while using the phenomenological language of the day or metaphorical language.
quote:As I have already stated, I would agree with your comment here except for the context doesn't allow for the range of interpretation in Genesis 1 that you want. We always have to let the context drive interpretation, not outside influences like modern scientific consensus.
Interpretational problems arise when this truth is ignored in favor of a needlessly strict interpretation. Yom is an example. There is no need to force it into a literal 24 hour period. No need whatsoever. To do so ignores the semantic range of the word in other usages and clashes with the intention of the passage
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:18 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:His audience would have been using common terminology and scriptural interpretation. It would not have been a debate about what “yom” means.
This is absolutely not definitive because the Jews did not always interpret yom to mean a 24 hour period.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:20 pm to redneck hippie
quote:We are trying to have a serious discussion.
We talking Komodo or Game of Thrones?
Of course we are talking about Game of Thrones.
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:35 pm to redneck hippie
quote:We talkin bout the BIG azz kind with wings and evil voices that they only use sparingly unless some man is speaking for god again - as always regarding some matter concerning the things a man should be doing
Dinosaurs" if they exist were merely dragons.
We talking Komodo or Game of Thrones?
or not
Posted on 5/29/25 at 3:49 pm to L.A.
Religion. Protest Scots and Irish Catholics in Northern Ireland are no different. Maybe a little more pict or viking blood here and there.
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