re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites

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You know who else did this? The alchemists

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It turns out we have been around long enough to know that alchemy doesn't work. It remains to be seen if the same will be true of YEC.

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I do respect the Scientific Method

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They feel like they are following robust scientific practices and that critiques coming from more conventional avenues is overlooking some of the problematic presumptions in the secular field

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They are definitely different aspects of YWHW's character

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I love your shtick. Nothing anyone else says can be a definitive statement because “hey, name all the scholars”, “that’s discredited” (because you say so), or “hey, we just don’t know” (the earth may only be 6000 years old).

But this, this, you claim with absolute certainty. You’re a joke.

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But this, this, you claim with absolute certainty

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You know why, right?

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You’re a joke

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Coming from you? Funny

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You know why, right?

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“For the Bible Tells Me So”.

And I’m not some fedora-wearing atheist either, but that’s your argument.

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I'm describing the utility of the situation, not appealing to authority.

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I was only referring to your vague mention of, "source criticism circles". Not much different than a vague reference to "most scholars".

Don't get me wrong, in the context if this board, I'm fine with vague references to authorities. If I'm interested, I'll pursue it. I'm just not going to point out the cinder in someone else's eye...

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But this, this, you claim with absolute certainty.

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He certainly does seem to demand more than he's willing to give.

For all his fancy language, his position seems to be built on sand.

And the basis for your belief in a young earth is the genealogies in the Bible?

If I remember correctly, the church where you are a member is PCA? Would you say this young earth view is common among your fellow church members, or would your view be in the minority? I ask merely out of curiosity. I'm not leading up to anything. Just trying to understand.

About 6 or 7 years ago the daughter of a friend of mine in Los Angeles asked me to write a letter of recommendation for her when she applied to Harvard. They are Chilean nationals who immigrated legally to the USA about 20 years ago. Very fine family, and the daughter is super smart and very solid character wise. Anyway, her dad is a pastor (Baptist) and after I wrote the letter he called to thank me and he invited me to view one of their services online. So I watched later that week and by chance his sermon was from Genesis 1 and he not only advocated for a literal 6 days of creation, but made it an article of faith for his congregation. You know, this is what we believe and this is what you need to believe if you are a member here. I found his sermon unconvincing, but more troubling for me was his insistence that one had to believe in a literal 6 days of creation in order to belong to that church. Seemed to me he was making a non-essential matter into an article of faith.

Anyway, thanks for the replies.

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The Scriptures, which include the genealogies, yes.

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I respect your views, Foo. You and my father would get along very well and that is a good thing. Response not necessarily to you.

I have not read all 21+ pages of this but has anyone mentioned the Hindus? The worlds oldest religion.

I find it fascinating to say the least. Yes, I am a Christian but do not belong to any organized materialistic, money hungry religion.

My religion is between me and the Pater, Filius, et Spiritus Sanctus.

The Hindu writings have fascinating stories that no doubt influenced all other middle eastern and world religions.

From thousands of years ago they have stories of flying machines called Vimana and wrote about battles in the skies from these vehicles.

And yet we are bickering about who are the rightful inhabitants of Israel?

I would say, who now holds power? As in ALL civilizations and tribes there are those who conquer and those who are conquered. That is humanity.

If Israel is supposed to belong to the Muslims only because they conquered it from the Christians Crusaders, who conquered it from the Muslims who conquered it from the Persians, Part II, who conquered it from the Byzantines who took over after the fall of Rome, who had conquered it from the Maccabees, who conquered it from the Greeks, who conquered it from the Persians Part I, who conquered it from the Babylonians, who had conquered the Assyrians, who initially conquered the original Abrahamic Israel.......who has the rights to the land we call Israel?

Maybe as PDJT said in his speech in Saudi Arabia, we let these countries take care of themselves and step away from a massive failure of Globalist Nation Building whether it be for political or religious reasons?