- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:05 pm to somethingdifferent
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:05 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
It's amazing that you think YEC doesn't have an answer for this
I'm aware of their answers. As I mentioned earlier, I had a long chat with two of them some 15 years ago. After chatting with them, I did a little internet digging into the belief system. My comment about the mental gymnastics stands
quote:
They make the case that radio carbon dating is known to be less than 100% accurate
The difference between 6 thousand years ago and 165 million years ago is a little bit more than "less than 100% accurate"
1
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:08 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
I've made several responses that have gone unanswered
Yes, I've read them, My comment about Mo Jeaux dismantling your argument stands
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:11 pm to L.A.
According to archaeological evidence new settlement in the hill country of the region occurred around the 13th and 12 century BC. Those new settlers shared similarities and differences with the Canaanites of the valley. One of the major characteristics that seems to separate them was the monotheistic (really henotheistic) worship of Yahweh. In fact Yahweh would have been a deity that they brought over from Canaan as we know the Canaanites worshiped Yahweh and his consort Asherah.
Over time these groups began to see themselves as distinct and different from each other as they competed for land and power over the region. As generations went by they no longer remembered their ancestral ties.
Over time these groups began to see themselves as distinct and different from each other as they competed for land and power over the region. As generations went by they no longer remembered their ancestral ties.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:22 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
I've made several responses that have gone unanswered
Sorry I didn’t name “all” the scholars who support what is held to be scholarly consensus. The one very well established scholar I did name was dismissed out-of-hand. I figure what’s the point, but if there is a specific question you want me to answer, I’m more than happy to do so. Unlike you, I’m not emotionally tied to my argument so if there is a specific historical or archeological piece of evidence that you can point to that makes me question what I believe, I’m more than happy to consider it. “The Bible says” won’t be very persuasive to me though.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:26 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
But they weren't "competitive" according to the idea. They were the same, remember? What you're talking about is totally different. They would have waged war with their gods on the standard and having faith that their "gods" were superior. But even that is stupid because they allegedly had the same gods. The whole thing makes no sense whatsoever from a socio-cultural standpoint.
Why is it that you (and a few others) have to misrepresent the argument?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:29 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
You cited an article from Brittanica
No, I did not. Stop lying. I pointed you to two books written by an Old Testament scholar who teaches at Yale.
quote:
Well let us know when you grow up and want to have a grown up conversation instead of stomping away when your elementary school citations don't work out the way you want. Like the article that you cited that didn't even agree with your point
More lies. Just piss off, liar.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:39 pm to L.A.
quote:And they think the same thing about you. The problem is no one was there to know for sure and the science most certainly is not settled. Science is never settled
My comment about the mental gymnastics stands
quote:Which doen't change the critique one bit. Their side makes the claim that geological strata compression affects radio carbon dating to an unknown degree.
The difference between 6 thousand years ago and 165 million years ago is a little bit more than "less than 100% accurate"
But I disagree with them because they are trying to make a claim that no one can know. Same with any OEC. Right now, everyone should be agnostic on the matter. There's no need to make a committment one way or the other
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:41 pm to L.A.
quote:
My comment about Mo Jeaux dismantling your argument stands
wow. So not responding to rebuttals constitutes "dismantling" in your book.Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:44 pm to donut
quote:
According to archaeological evidence new settlement in the hill country of the region occurred around the 13th and 12 century BC. Those new settlers shared similarities and differences with the Canaanites of the valley. One of the major characteristics that seems to separate them was the monotheistic (really henotheistic) worship of Yahweh. In fact Yahweh would have been a deity that they brought over from Canaan as we know the Canaanites worshiped Yahweh and his consort Asherah.
Over time these groups began to see themselves as distinct and different from each other as they competed for land and power over the region. As generations went by they no longer remembered their ancestral ties.
Glad to see you weighing in. I remember you being quite knowledgeable in the field. Might even be your field if memory serves.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:47 pm to Narax
quote:
Yes one did, and in the Greek one can translate Luke protos to refer to the Census before that one.
Judea was an independent nation then, under the rule of Herod.
You have to do more than connect it to a Roman census, it has to be over seen by Quirinius as well.
The history just doesn't match up. Quirinius wasn't a governor at that time. Pretty sure he was off fighting in bum-frick Egypt and his heroics as an officer got him a nice series of promotions that eventually landed him Governor of Syria where he oversaw the census of Judea since they were added in 6 AD.
Why do two censuses within 10 years? These were expensive back in the day. Also, they didn't require to travel to your place of birth
thats some fanfic level of writing there. This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:48 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
The point is no one was there and can say for sure.
If for sure is 100%, then sure.
But most people are fine with 99.99999999%.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:52 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
This is yet another case where archaeology corroborated someone mentioned in the Bible but not in any other source.
...
The Roman census, by Governor Quirinius, in 6 AD, once Rome officially took control of Judea by adding it to their Syria providence, has historical backing outside the Bible. Rome recorded it, Josephus wrote about it, wrote about the riots the peacetime census caused. You'll note he didn't write about about riots of a peacetime census under Herod though (because none existed).
What are you even talking about?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:53 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Then how can you say it's a consensus? You can't.
Sorry I didn’t name “all” the scholars who support what is held to be scholarly consensus
quote:Not true. I responded with a rebuttal from the academic community. Perhaps you are unaware of this rebuttal that has been around for quite some time.
The one very well established scholar I did name was dismissed out-of-hand
quote:How do you respond to the fact that Smith leaned on the documentary hypothesis methodology despite it's flaws?
if there is a specific question you want me to answer, I’m more than happy to do so
quote:Yes you are. Everyone is. No one is a robot except for SFP.
I’m not emotionally tied to my argument
quote:You mean other than everything I've already posted itt?
if there is a specific historical or archeological piece of evidence that you can point to that makes me question what I believe, I’m more than happy to consider it
quote:How do you pick and choose what/who to believe?
“The Bible says” won’t be very persuasive to me though
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:55 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:I responded directly to claims made by SFP. I didn't misrepresent anything.
Why is it that you (and a few others) have to misrepresent the argument?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 2:59 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
I responded directly to claims made by SFP. I didn't misrepresent anything.
You most certainly did. The ridiculous “not competitive” point, right out of the gate.
But I will say, that considering the fact that you’ve lied multiple times about something I supposedly cited, it doesn’t surprise me that you mischaracterize what people are arguing.
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:00 pm to L.A.
quote:
Glad to see you weighing in. I remember you being quite knowledgeable in the field. Might even be your field if memory serves.
It's been awhile. These debates tend to devolve into pissing matches so I usually just watch it all spiral out of control
and not get involved as much as before. We had some good discussions back in the day. Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:01 pm to Azkiger
quote:There are multiple ideas about this
it has to be over seen by Quirinius as well
quote:Only if you exclude the possibilities that have been proposed. Any person who isn't emotionally attached to the criticism can do so and remain unbiased about it
The history just doesn't match up
quote:Who told you this? What source?
Quirinius wasn't a governor at that time
quote:One of them might not have been a "census" proper
Why do two censuses within 10 years?
quote:It has been proposed that's not absolutely true in every case
they didn't require to travel to your place of birth
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:SFP used that exact phrase
The ridiculous “not competitive” point
quote:Is that it? I got LA's citation mixed up with you. Are you done crying about that?
considering the fact that you’ve lied multiple times about something I supposedly cited
How about all the other responses I made to your points? When you're ready for a grown up conversation, just say so
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:11 pm to donut
quote:
We had some good discussions back in the day
We did, and I must say looking back you were ahead of me all along. Took me a while to catch up.
And that's exactly what's happening in this thread. You have a couple of well intentioned guys who don't know what they don't know.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:34 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:
strata compression affects radio carbon dating
RCD isn't the only way to measure the passage of time. For example, I'm pretty sure RCD isn't involved in determining the Sun's age to be about 4.5 billion years old.
Page 19 of 32
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News