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re: DNA analysis shows that Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:45 am to L.A.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:45 am to L.A.
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Isn't it ironic that these two groups who hate each other so much share common ancestry
No. They are both descended from Abraham. This has been common knowledge for five thousand years.
Nice try, though.
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Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:49 am to cssamerican
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What do scientists call Abraham? Jew, Canaanite, or Sumerian?
Well he wasn't a Jew, though he is considered the father of Judaism. He was a Hebrew; who were the descendants of Eber, son of Shem
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The Hebrews\Israelites\Jews were monotheistic originally and eventually. On occasion, they adopted the pagan practices of their neighbors (such as in the reign of Manasseh) but that was always in contravention of their thoroughgoing monotheistic culture.
Learning how the Jewish people absorbed and "evolved" the gods of Canaan is pretty fascinating
quote:El and YHWH have always been references to the same entity. What "evidence" are you referring to?
There is some evidence that early Jewish beliefs had Yahweh even below El
quote:El is a moniker for different aspects of God's character, not distinct "gods."
ultimately El turned into the monotheistic version of much of the pantheon of Canaanite gods
quote:This is one of the RARE things you say that's actually correct
Muslims stole their god concept from Jews
Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:53 am to cssamerican
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What do scientists call Abraham? Jew, Canaanite, or Sumerian?
None of the above.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:55 am to Augustus516
quote:the trinity is ubiquitous in the bible. you just can't see it bc you're blinded by pride and ignorance.
Most Christians today believe in a Trinity, a teaching not found in the bible.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:God help us
I think the Bronze Age is the most fascinating period in human history and I've just started looking into the originations of these gods and how they were absorbed, transferred, and transformed as humanity was developing.
I'm somewhat distracted because I really want to look into something else related in concept but not time (Gnosticism)
It's bad enough you think you know other things you comment on. Now you're going to get religion all screwed up in your head. You're probably going to turn into another Acharya S\D.M. Murdock lunatic
Has there ever been a court ruling you disagree with?
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:56 am to faraway
I mean it is pretty much an eye of the beholder/sharpshooter fallacy scenario
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:56 am to L.A.
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Isn't it ironic that these two groups who hate each other so much share common ancestry
Its not ironic at all. They both agree they descended from Shem, hence why they are referred to as Semites
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:56 am to L.A.
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After examining the DNA of 93 bodies recovered from archaeological sites around the southern Levant
This shouldn't be controversial at all. Of course the original Arabs and Jews are from the same semitic region.
The modern issue is the Eastern European of Jewish faith that pretend they are genetic Semits and if you call it out you get labeled antisemitic.
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm somewhat distracted because I really want to look into something else related in concept but not time (Gnosticism)
A quick, authoritative read is Elaine Pagel's "The Gnostic Gospels."
FWIW, I now view my "Gnostic phase," as a serious departure into heresy. The Spirit moves in mysterious ways. Maybe that phase was necessary to get me where I am.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:57 am to Nosevens
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There is and actual book explaining it, called the Old Testament.
Yeah, told from the point of view of the group that adopted monotheism and had to edit out (or try to) the uncomfortable parts about their past beliefs. Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:59 am to somethingdifferent
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The Hebrews\Israelites\Jews were monotheistic originally and eventually. On occasion, they adopted the pagan practices of their neighbors (such as in the reign of Manasseh) but that was always in contravention of their thoroughgoing monotheistic culture.
Oh boy.
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El and YHWH have always been references to the same entity.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:59 am to L.A.
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I'd highly recommend "The Bible Unearthed," by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman
Yeah if you want to learn what DIDN'T happen in antiquity. That book was published in 2001 and has not made a dent in our understanding of antiquity The entire book can be summed up:
"I don't see evidence for what the Bible claims" as if absence of evidence is evidence of absence
Posted on 5/26/25 at 10:59 am to David Fellows
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No. They are both descended from Abraham
The Canaanites are not descended from Abraham. Most of you seem to be using Canaanite and Arab interchangeably, but they are not necessarily the same, The Biblical narrative is that the Canaanites were already in the promised land when the descendants of Abraham arrived.
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This has been common knowledge for five thousand years.
Might want to check your timeline
Posted on 5/26/25 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean it is pretty much an eye of the beholder/sharpshooter fallacy scenario
In a way.
God blinds those who refuse to see or humble themselves.
Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”
Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him, “Are we also blind?” Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains. -- John 9:39-41
Posted on 5/26/25 at 11:02 am to L.A.
quote:There was relatively little conflict between Jews and Muslim Arabs until about a hundred years ago when Zionists (most of whose ancestors had been in Europe for hundreds of years) began moving into the British Mandate of Palestine, leading to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.
Isn't it ironic that these two groups who hate each other so much share common ancestry
Posted on 5/26/25 at 11:02 am to GumboPot
Are you talking about ashkenazi and sephardic jews?
Posted on 5/26/25 at 11:03 am to TrueTiger
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And their religions both descended from Abraham.
Both of these groups of people descended from Abraham's sons.
The Jews from Isaac, and the others from Ishmael.
Posted on 5/26/25 at 11:04 am to L.A.
frick both of these groups. They cause trouble wherever they migrate to.
This post was edited on 5/26/25 at 11:06 am
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