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re: Did we just do in Iran in one afternoon what it took over a decade to do in Iraq?
Posted on 3/1/26 at 3:25 pm to OysterPoBoy
Posted on 3/1/26 at 3:25 pm to OysterPoBoy
quote:I crossed the berm with 3ID on 3/20/2003 and by April Iraq looked “done.” The regime collapsed. Crowds lined the MSR's chanting "USA" and "George Bush" and waving American flags. We could drive around in single unarmored without escorts. shite, we were going on tours of local ruins on our off time.
I know the dust still has to settle but it seems like we basically have the same result without the huge loss of life and pissing off the population.
The initial spark that pissed off the population was idiot Bremer dissolving the military and putting hundreds of thousands of armed men out of work.
The real comparison isn’t how fast did it fall. It’s “what institutions remain intact afterward, and what armed networks are still embedded in society.”
If Iran’s state apparatus is intact and security organs remain cohesive, you’re not looking at Iraq 2003 at all. And if you think a result is permanent before you see what happens in month three or six, you’re repeating the same mistake people made in Baghdad.
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 5:16 pm
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 3:31 pm to northshorebamaman
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If Iran’s state apparatus is intact and security organs remain cohesive, you’re not looking at Iraq 2003 at all. And if you think a result is permanent before you see what happens in month three or six, you’re repeating the same mistake people made in Baghdad.
This. There still needs to be some sort of security function left in the country. If it’s turned into a gigantic free for all, every turd from the Middle East and the Stans will come in for a jhiadi party.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 3:57 pm to Jbird
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Settle the frick down Panican, I spent twenty plus fricking years going to the shithole part of the world.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 3:58 pm to SDVTiger
Scary thought huh,
Better hope no BOG, you know he is already trying to get past this and run
Better hope no BOG, you know he is already trying to get past this and run
Posted on 3/1/26 at 3:59 pm to northshorebamaman
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The initial spark that pissed off the population was idiot Bremer dissolving the military and putting hundreds of thousands of armed men out of work.
Probably one of the worst miscalculation in American foreign policy history
Not only that. Complete De-Baathification. But you had to be a member of the Baath party to even hold a position as the fricking dog catcher. So nobody was teaching, picking up garbage, acting as regular police or collecting taxes. We basically just turned it into a worse version of the Wild West in one fell swoop.
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 3/1/26 at 4:06 pm to OysterPoBoy
Yep . . . and I don't think you're going to see HumVees rolling around on patrol in Iran either.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 4:06 pm to OysterPoBoy
Yes. But...... it wasn't all "us".
Mossad is the premier intelligence agency in the world. THEY made this possible.
Mossad is the premier intelligence agency in the world. THEY made this possible.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 4:31 pm to SaintsReportExile
Don't tell him that, he thinks he has solved 7-10 in one year
Bombing 7 countries in one year doesn't get the Chairman of his own Board of Peace a Peace Prize.
Bombing 7 countries in one year doesn't get the Chairman of his own Board of Peace a Peace Prize.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 4:34 pm to OysterPoBoy
No, I don’t think so. If people think the Republican Guard will just move aside for democracy people are crazy. There’s gonna be suppression and somebody else will rise from the ranks so I really doubt they’ll be democracy any time soon. The people with the guns and power are fanatics and they’re not gonna let go anytime soon. I will say my wife has several friends that were from Iran and to hear the stories of what it used to be is really sad. Very vibrant western like culture. That vibe is still there, but it isn’t gonna come out anytime soon.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:05 pm to wadewilson
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We just fricking did this 20 years ago.
Threads like these make it easy to tell the Gen X/boomers from the genz/millenials.
We do this regime change song and dance about once a generation. We’re due the next one.
I have no idea if Trump has the stomach for the full commitment to see this through. These little weekend drone strikes aren’t going to scratch the surface
Posted on 3/1/26 at 5:57 pm to redneck hippie
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I have no idea if Trump has the stomach for the full commitment to see this through.
He doesn't.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:00 pm to wadewilson
Oh cool, so now we’re no longer talking about a”forever war.” Your brethren will be pleased to hear that. Of course they’ll proceed on with the forever war narrative anyway.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:06 pm to davyjones
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Oh cool, so now we’re no longer talking about a”forever war.” Your brethren will be pleased to hear that. Of course they’ll proceed on with the forever war narrative anyway.
You mean Trump voters?
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:08 pm to wadewilson
Wadewilson jfc
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:12 pm to wadewilson
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You mean Trump voters?
Yeah, the ones who “voted for him three times.”
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:16 pm to OysterPoBoy
Delusional.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:29 pm to PurpleCrush
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Bombing 7 countries in one year doesn't get the Chairman of his own Board of Peace a Peace Prize.
frick the “Peace Prize.” Obama got it for being black.
Do what you have to do for real peace. Iran has been given free passes for terrorist activities around the Middle East for far too long.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 6:33 pm to TigersHuskers
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Well the south has a lot of sub 80 IQ evangelicals so I kinda get it.
I’m sure it’s somewhere in the Gospel that we have to fight Zionist wars. At least that’s what Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee would say.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 7:06 pm to Jbird
Posted on 3/1/26 at 7:13 pm to wadewilson
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This board has the most insane groupthink I've ever seen. It's like a fricking sociological simulation.
The complete unashamed 180s that this board has done on Epstein, foreign interventions, regime change and feeding the military industrial complex is completely staggering.
It wasn’t even a slow change. It was overnight minute to minute changes.
The crazy thing is they will call you the sheep if you go against it.
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