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re: Did the Police use excessive Force?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:48 pm to Smeg
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:48 pm to Smeg
You think putting a bullet in someone that refuses to sign a ticket is appropriate? I asked you a simple question. Do you believe a cop gets to legally behave any way they see fit?
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 1:04 pm
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Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:51 pm to roadGator
quote:"Don't tase me bro!!"
The alternative is getting a cop killed by reaching in to extract the idiot perp.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:52 pm to roadGator
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He clearly wants to get the guy compliant as quickly and safely as possible.
That’s what the dog is for.
At the 12:20mark the dude was getting out of the car and the k9 handler brings the dog from the passenger side and puts it on him while he is out of the car.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:53 pm to FreedomBarefoot
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So at the 9:00min mark the K-9 handler is telling cops he has a dog during the chase. He clearly wants to use his dog.
Using the dog is safer for the cops
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:53 pm to Dex Morgan
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Are you under the impression a cop can behave however they please?
Within the bounds of the law, yes.
If this was a lawful traffic stop, the citizen is required to obey commands like, "We need you to exit the car, sir," or, "I need to see your license and registration, please." Those are lawful orders, the courts have ruled on them multiple times.
We don't know that this was a valid traffic stop, but if it was and if this guy refused to get out of the car, what you saw on the video was 100% appropriate.
What happens now is that people are convinced that they have all sort of "rights" that they do not have. First, they think they have the right to demand a supervisor on scene and that the cops have to comply with that request.
They don't have that right. That's something that police do as a courtesy (and they need to stop doing it, because it has erroneously taught these people to demand it every time). And these people then try to refuse to comply until the supervisor gets there.
Then they think they have the right to require the police to basically win a verbal argument with them about whether they were "doing something wrong," before they will comply with whatever the lawful order was.
Then they think they have a right to make all sorts of phone calls before complying.
Then they think they have a right to refuse to exit the vehicle because they have deemed that they "Didn't do nuffin' wrong," or (my favorite) they claim to be afraid for their life.
Then once they get pulled out of the car and cuffed, they think they have a right to refuse to be touched. Or only be touched by the cop that they agree to be touched by, or only be touched by a female officer, etc., etc.
This guy clearly was refusing to exit the vehicle or even roll his window down. We don't know why or what led up to it, but having watched dozens of these arrest videos I would be willing to bet my bank account that the cops were not the problem here, and would also bet that this probably had to do with some kind of sovereign citizen nonsense. Those are usually the ones who won't roll down the window.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:54 pm to NC_Tigah
The dog did his job and it worked.
Not sure what the big deal is.
Not sure what the big deal is.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:55 pm to John Barron
Why endanger Snoopy ?
Just pop a tear gas canister inside the dirt bag's car and he will come out.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:55 pm to FreedomBarefoot
And?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:56 pm to CDawson
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What info do you have to suggest this? Was the perp armed, unarmed, considered dangerous? What led to this altercation?
I've got this info - a man with a large dog that is actively biting him while sitting in his lap in the driver seat of the car - cannot exit the car. That cop not only used excessive force, but he unecessarily endangered the dog by placing him in a confined space with this man. The dog had no room to manuver and he could have been easily stabbed to death at such close and tight quarters. They had enough men with guns in his face to close the deal.
That's how I see it. I've got an opinion just like anyone else.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:56 pm to Dex Morgan
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You think outting a bullet in someone that refuses to sign a ticket is appropriate? I asked you a simple question. Do you believe a cop gets to legally behave any way they see fit?
I see you're avoiding the question.
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Are you under the impression a civilian can behave however they please and ignore lawful commands?
The police are RESPONDING to the actions of the civilian. Let's address THE CAUSE first. Please answer.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:57 pm to wackatimesthree
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don't know that this was a valid traffic stop
Yes we do. The pursuit was at least 120MPH.
That will getcha every time.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:57 pm to roadGator
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Yes we do. The pursuit was at least 120MPH.
Then there you go.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:59 pm to Marquesa
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but he unecessarily endangered the dog by placing him in a confined space with this man.
That's the only part I agree with. I don't think he should have used the dog. Not because of the perp's safety, but for the dog's.
Just tase the guy, pepper spray him and drag him out. You've already shattered the window. Just incapacitate him and yank him out.
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:01 pm to wackatimesthree
Yup
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:02 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Yeah, unless of course your child was t-boned and killed at one of those intersections he blew through at 100 mph.Then you might not think pushing a dog thru the window is such a bad idea. Please tell me you’re not a voter. Please.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:03 pm to Smeg
No, I asked the question first. A cop can only use as much force as policy allows. If they go outside of that, they should be treated as a criminal as well. That doesn't absolve the motorist of their behavior either.
I bet you really loved the Danville cops beating the hell out of that dementia patient.
I bet you really loved the Danville cops beating the hell out of that dementia patient.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:04 pm to Marquesa
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I've got an opinion just like anyone else.
Not saying you're necessarily doing this here, but one trend in society that annoys the hell out of me is the idea that everybody's opinions are equally valid just because everybody has one.
My opinion on the best way to perform a vascular surgery isn't anywhere near as valid as the opinion of a vascular surgeon's, for example.
That's an extreme example to make a point, but someone arguing entirely from emotion—not necessarily saying that's what you're doing—that person's opinion is not as valid as someone who is arguing from reason and logic and facts.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:05 pm to Dex Morgan
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I bet you really loved the Danville cops beating the hell out of that dementia patient.
I'd love to see you resist lawful orders and get clubbed into a quivering pile of jelly. That much is true.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:06 pm to wackatimesthree
It's a silly battle between right to have opinions and rights to be right.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:06 pm to Dex Morgan
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A cop can only use as much force as policy allows. If they go outside of that, they should be treated as a criminal as well.
Sure.
But nothing on that video looks like it exceeds the law or the average police policy.
When someone refuses to exit a vehicle, you only have so many choices and all of them involve force and some degree of injury risk to the criminal.
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