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re: Did the GOP steal a SCOTUS seat?

Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:11 pm to
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:11 pm to
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Also, a President under investigation for treason (maybe not on paper, but that's what it boils down to) shouldn't be naming *anyone* to a lifetime judicial appointment. Especially not someone who could be the deciding vote on whether or not he can be charged with a crime."

I keep hearing this but the FBI, DOJ and the SC have all stated that Trump is not a target of their investigations. Are they calling the good men and women of those impeccable institutions, public servants all, liars?

How dare they attack the credibility of our FBI!

Womp fckn womp
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:12 pm to
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Now that we can get two, I'd vote Trump all day!



Gorsuch? Seems solid.
Kavanaugh? Hello surveillance state
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:15 pm to
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If Obama had any gumption (and/or wasn't almost sure Hillary was going to win anyway), he would have given the Republicans a deadline to bring Garland up for a vote, and, if they failed to do so, have him sworn in. What could the Republicans have done to stop him?
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:22 pm to
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Of course. 

Obama nominated someone and gop did not even interview him. 
WOMP WOMP
Posted by DrunkerThanThou
Unfortunately Mississippi
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:25 pm to
No the congressman who stalled the vote were elected by Americans no different than the ones who elected people trying to push through their nomination before Obama’s term ended. The fault lies in he Democratic Party for not convincing enough citizens to support them in the voting booths
Posted by bhtigerfan
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:30 pm to
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The DEMs have done far far far worse than that in manipulating the rules when they had the power to do so
Don't forget about the Robert Torricelli bullshite they pulled in NJ by changing the law to allow Lautenberg on the ballot.

frick every single Democrat in the country. Nothing but a bunch of fricking hypocrites and cheaters.
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:31 pm to
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Did the GOP steal a SCOTUS seat?
I don't like the word 'steal' for what they did, but they definitely did some political maneuvering and stopped Obama from filling a seat on the SCOTUS. The reason they gave for their shenanigans, that the POTUS can't fill a seat on the SCOTUS if he's a lame duck, was pretty much BS. Otoh, it pales in comparison to what the Dems did to Reagan and Bork.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:33 pm to
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The reason they gave for their shenanigans, that the POTUS can't fill a seat on the SCOTUS if he's a lame duck, was pretty much BS.




They had precedent.

Also, "advice and consent of the Senate."

The Senate did not consent.

Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 9:43 pm to
Explain what you mean by precedent. I’ve researched it pretty thoroughly and I think their rationale was BS
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 10:06 pm to
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Explain what you mean by precedent.

No POTUS in the past 80 years had ever nominated a justice within 12 months of a presidential election.

There is precedent going back to John Quincy Adams of rejecting lame duck nominees.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 10:17 pm to
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Now that we can get two, I'd vote Trump all day!



I don't want to get your hopes up, but a 2-term Trump Presidency could yield 6 with just a slight stretch.


Done:
Gorsuch (Scalia)
Kennedy's replacement

Potential:

RBG is 137 years old. Imagining her hanging on for (let's assume Dems will scream bloody murder at a Trump nomination in 2024) 5 more years is tough.

Steven Breyer will turn 85 in Trump's penultimate year. Although he appears in reasonably good health for a man approaching 80 next month, a lot can change at that age in 5 years.

Thomas has been long-rumored to be considering (relatively young) retirement. Just now 70 and reportedly in decent health, he has been on the court a long time and may have lost some of his zeal for the fight after losing his best friend on the court, Scalia, over 2 years ago.

Sotomayor is only mid-60s, but has a number of health conditions that could shorten her effective working career, notably diabetes since age 8.


In fact, a 2-term Trump is nearly certain to name 3 justices and 4 is likely.



Posted by texridder
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 10:46 pm to
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The reason they gave for their shenanigans, that the POTUS can't fill a seat on the SCOTUS if he's a lame duck, was pretty much BS. Otoh, it pales in comparison to what the Dems did to Reagan and Bork.

Granted that Bork got Borked, but at least they gave him a hearing.
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:19 pm to
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Granted that Bork got Borked, but at least they gave him a hearing.
True, but it was a sham, mainly due to Ted Kennedy.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:22 pm to
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Granted that Bork got Borked, but at least they gave him a hearing.
They wanted to save Garland the embarrassment.

WOMP WOMP
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 11:23 pm
Posted by Bourre
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:22 pm to
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texridder


Cry bitch, the ends justify the means. Oh,well... maybe next time
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:23 pm to
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Explain what you mean by precedent.


No POTUS in the past 80 years had ever nominated a justice within 12 months of a presidential election.
Yes, that was their rationale, and they were pulling out a play from Joe Biden's playbook from 1992, although the Dems didn't get to actually use the ploy.

But the thing about "80 years" is a half truth, based more in circumstances than policy or the constitution.

Here's an article that goes into a little more depth on the "80 years" quote.

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The ongoing partisan feud over President Obama’s Supreme Court nomination Merrick Garland made its way to New Hampshire, where U.S. Senator Kelly Ayotte says the next president should select a justice instead.

State Republican chairwoman Jennifer Horn echoed Ayotte’s sentiment and issued a statement criticizing Obama’s move.

"Republicans have repeatedly stated that the American people deserve a voice in the process of selecting the next Supreme Court Justice, and I wholeheartedly agree," Horn wrote. "For more than eighty years, there has not been a nomination and confirmation of a Supreme Court Justice in a presidential election year. This is simply not the time to break with decades of bipartisan practice."

We were struck by Horn’s assertion that more than eight decades had passed since a president and U.S. Senate found themselves in this situation. We decided to take a look.

It turns out that an almost identical statement was made by presidential candidate and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz on the Feb. 14, 2016, edition of Meet the Press. There, he told host Chuck Todd that ""It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don't do this in an election year."

As PolitiFact reported at the time, that’s largely true -- but not because of "tradition" (Cruz’s words) or "bipartisan practice" (Horn’s words). Instead, it’s because it’s simply rare for this combination of circumstances to occur.

"This is entirely a matter of circumstance," Sarah Binder, a George Washington University political scientist, told us in February. "Certainly not a norm or tradition by presidents refraining from nominating in a presidential election year or by senators refusing to consider such nominations."

When asked for background on Horn’s comment, state GOP spokesman Ross Berry pointed to Benjamin Cardoza, who was nominated to the court by President Herbert Hoover on Feb 15, 1932, and confirmed by the Senate on Feb 24.

But there’s a more recent case.

That came during the election year of 1940, when President Franklin Roosevelt picked Frank Murphy for the court. The nomination was Jan. 4, 1940, and the Senate approved him through a voice vote on Jan. 16. That’s 76 years ago, not "more than 80 years," as Horn said.

In 1956, President Dwight Eisenhower put William Brennan on the court through a recess appointment. Brennan was confirmed by the full Senate the next year. President Lyndon Johnson attempted to select a justice during the presidential election year of 1968, but both of his picks were turned aside.

And most recently, the Senate confirmed Justice Anthony Kennedy on Feb. 3, 1988 -- but President Reagan nominated him on Nov. 30, 1987.

This thumbnail sketch of the last eight decades clarifies both Cruz’s and Horn’s statements. First, it hasn’t been "more than 80 years" since a nomination and confirmation came in an election year. Roosevelt’s nomination of Murphy was 76 years ago.

Also, there simply haven’t been many cases of seats on the court coming open during election years. Russell Wheeler of the Brookings Institution, a former deputy director of the Federal Judicial Center, said that was likely a matter of choice by the justices themselves.

"Justices rarely leave active service in an election year, because they know, at least in the modern era of contentious confirmation battles, that their colleagues will be short staffed because of the unlikelihood of an election-year confirmation of a successor," Wheeler told us in February. "Justices in the modern era rarely die in office."

What’s more, it’s important to note that in each case in which a Supreme Court seat came open during an election year, the president at the time nominated a candidate for the seat.

To say Obama would be breaking from practice by nominating a justice isn’t accurate.

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Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:30 pm to
It's a rare event. You have to have a lame duck president in the last year of his presidency, and a vacancy. If the President has a majority in the Senate, fine, he likely gets his nomination. If not, tough shite.

If anyone for one fricking second believes if the shoe were on the other foot that the Dems would have gone through the nomination process for a Republican lame duck president, you're a goddamn liar.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
66638 posts
Posted on 7/11/18 at 11:46 pm to
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It's a rare event. You have to have a lame duck president in the last year of his presidency, and a vacancy. If the President has a majority in the Senate, fine, he likely gets his nomination. If not, tough shite.
That's it in a nutshell.

quote:

If anyone for one fricking second believes if the shoe were on the other foot that the Dems would have gone through the nomination process for a Republican lame duck president, you're a goddamn liar.
Of course. in fact. Joe Biden was the first one to attempt this strategy. He did in in 1992, arguing that George Bush should delay filling a Supreme Court vacancy, should one arise, until the presidential election was over, and that it was “essential” that the Senate refuse to confirm a nominee to the court until then.

This NY Times article has a video of Biden saying that in a speech.

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Posted by McChowder
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 12:18 am to
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But the thing about "80 years" is a half truth, based more in circumstances than policy or the constitution. 

Here's an article that goes into a little more depth on the "80 years" quote. 

Ok, so it was 76 years and not 80.

We have nearly 8 decades and the fact that rejecting lame duck nominees has been used many times prior.
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