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Did Musk play 4D Chess w/ Twitter? (Deal on Hold)
Posted on 5/13/22 at 5:17 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 5:17 am
Down 20% on him saying deal on hold pending verification fake accounts only account for less than 5%.
I think he knew this in advance, got everything he wanted out in public to force changes, then pulled the rug.
Now when numbers come back with more than 5%, he walks away or tells them I’m only giving you 35B instead of 44B.
He wins either way.
I think he knew this in advance, got everything he wanted out in public to force changes, then pulled the rug.
Now when numbers come back with more than 5%, he walks away or tells them I’m only giving you 35B instead of 44B.
He wins either way.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 5:23 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:15 am to Lsut81
It’s not 4D chess to make sure the user count is real. That’s what can be monetized and using Twitters own number is the correct measurement.
If it’s 5% or less he goes through with the deal. If it’s materially more than 5% he gets to recut the deal, Twitter management has egg on their face, and those who signed the Sarbox docs - CEO and CFO may have major legal and SEC issues on their hands.
If it’s 5% or less he goes through with the deal. If it’s materially more than 5% he gets to recut the deal, Twitter management has egg on their face, and those who signed the Sarbox docs - CEO and CFO may have major legal and SEC issues on their hands.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:19 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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It’s not 4D chess to make sure the user count is real. That’s what can be monetized and using Twitters own number is the correct measurement.
He knew the count before he went all in… this was a way to get change in motion and then force a re-value and new offer to get a deal.
No different than him leaking the Tesla strike price a few years back.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:37 am to Lsut81
If he pulls out and it’s verified that Twitter management knew it was bot heavy, doesn’t that open Twitter to fraud suits by current shareholders?
Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:44 am to Lsut81
This is due diligence that happens with every tech acquisition. The minute the handshake happened the only people negotiating are lawyers.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 6:45 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:47 am to Lsut81
It's why Elon's bid was so genius from the start and also why we likely saw tons of accounts get removed right after the deal was done.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 6:56 am to Lsut81
And some mysterious off shore accounts are buying tons of Twitter shares as we type.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:05 am to Lsut81
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He knew the count before he went all in
So he knew something even the Twitter insiders don’t know? Ok got it.
He may have suspected it but he did not know it.
I will put up my experience in over 200 transactions against yours. He may have believed to 5% number to be BS as most people do, but he didn’t know shite.
It is one of many metrics the deal is tied to from a valuation standpoint and is sop on deals it is not 4D chess.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:13 am to Lsut81
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I think he knew this in advance, got everything he wanted out in public to force changes,
Yeah, he's not asking questions he doesn't already know the answers to.
He's about to get Twitter on sale.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:14 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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It’s not 4D chess to make sure the user count is real. That’s what can be monetized and using Twitters own number is the correct measurement.
It's pretty well known there's a lot of bots, and it's also very well known in the tech industry M&A and Marketing side of things that you have to cut the number of users, for sites like Twitter (ie..site like this one if up for sale), by a big percentage. And this would be something that can be used as a bargaining chip after you've gotten the right NDA in place to get a better look under the hood.
It would make me think bad of Musk and his team if they were totally surprised by this. Don't know if it's any particular 4D chess plan, but I'm thinking standard bargaining ploy. Could be wrong of course, but really doubt it.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:20 am to Lsut81
What's interesting is the 2 people Twitter who were let go and this news. A GM of Revenue and Head of Consumer Product. I wonder if these things are connected.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:40 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Don't they have issues either way? Stock price will fall if it comes out that BOTs account for a material number of users regardless if the sale goes through or not. I hope he gets Twitter for pennies on the dollar at this point.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 7:41 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
That's a very naive position. We're not talking about the sale of a local newspaper.
We're talking the sale of the most influential social media site on the planet to the richest dude on said planet that has a history of turning everything he touches to gold.
Musk doesn't PUBLICLY ask these questions unless he already knows the answers.
We're talking the sale of the most influential social media site on the planet to the richest dude on said planet that has a history of turning everything he touches to gold.
Musk doesn't PUBLICLY ask these questions unless he already knows the answers.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:14 am to bamarep
No what is naïve is thinking Musk is so all powerful and all knowing he knew something even the people at Twitter with access to the raw data don’t have nailed down.
Musk’s gut may have told him it’s more than 5% (as most people strongly believe) but he does not KNOW that as a fact.
Musk’s gut may have told him it’s more than 5% (as most people strongly believe) but he does not KNOW that as a fact.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:16 am to KAGTASTIC
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It's pretty well known there's a lot of bots, and it's also very well known in the tech industry M&A and Marketing side of things that you have to cut the number of users
Correct. I’m not saying the number is or isn’t inflated (I think it is) I’m saying Musk didn’t know for sure. He made an educated assumption based on all matters and wisely pegged the value to their stated number.
It isn’t some deal making voodoo is my point. It’s just what happens.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:22 am to Lsut81
I still do not think this sale is going to happen. One thing the left will not allow is give up control of a major media outlet (ex. Chicago Tribune ).
They will throw every challenge to subvert the deal.
They will throw every challenge to subvert the deal.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:37 am to Lsut81
I think he might be exposing them for some shenanigans about inflating their user count and activity metrics. Seems like interesting timing given that a couple of senior level folks were just canned.
Eta: looks like this was already covered
Eta: looks like this was already covered
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 8:39 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:46 am to SidewalkDawg
I thought there were a ton of accountants all of a sudden get reinstated. Maybe a little of both occurred. Purge the bots and allow the real accounts to be resurrected from ban land.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:46 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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No what is naïve is thinking Musk is so all powerful and all knowing he knew something even the people at Twitter with access to the raw data don’t have nailed down.
Musk’s gut may have told him it’s more than 5% (as most people strongly believe) but he does not KNOW that as a fact.
It is ironic that you make these statements about what Musk did or did not know as if you yourself know it for fact, rather than it being your gut feeling.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:01 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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he knew something even the people at Twitter with access to the raw data don’t have nailed down.
You say this as a fact but in reality you have no clue what the people at Twitter know. You are going with your gut. Much more so than Elon who has a team of economists, financiers, and lawyers combing over every technical detail of this transaction.
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