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re: Dianne Feinstein, 90, cedes POA to daughter but still serves in Congress

Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:31 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:31 pm to
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Lol yeah because she’s a corpse.


The perfect Senator for California.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:37 pm to
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The disconnect is Hanky and you apparently want to have a discussion about irrelevant shite, instead of talking about mentally deficient geriatrics running the country.
Troy, both Mickey and I addressed the issue presented in the OP. It is you and Roger who are arguing beyond the scope of the OP.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:38 pm to
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It is you and Roger who are arguing beyond the scope of the OP.



Because we got past page one. You didnt.

Shes lost it, she cannot function.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Given the fact that there is more than ample evidence That Feinstein is in fact incapable of handling her own, or anyone else's business, isn't that precisely what the POA means?
No, Troy, it is not. You are thinking of an NCM declaration.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:41 pm to
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It is you and Roger who are arguing beyond the scope of the OP.
Because we got past page one. You didnt.
Roger, it is you who is trying to take a point that we addressed on page 1 and pretend that it is somehow relevant to the broader question of her general competency ... a broader point on which both Mickey and I have said we generally agree with you.

It is just weird.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36764 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:41 pm to
She looks like Robert the Bruce's dad in that picture
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:45 pm to
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No one should be defending Feinstein, Biden or Strom Thurmond making decisions on our behalf.


They are great examples of why the system so heavily favors the incumbent.

I'd throw Don Young in there too. Dude was in cognitive decline 15 years before he died.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:46 pm to
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No, Troy, it is not. You are thinking of an NCM declaration.


Would you hire her to handle your affairs? No? Then it is, isn’t it?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:49 pm to
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Would you hire her to handle your affairs?


I wouldn't even put her on speakerphone to Ukranian businessmen to get her 10%.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28583 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:54 pm to
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No longer has the capacity to control things in her own life.

If she was incompetent, she would not be able to execute a power of attorney.

Hank have explained it accurately. Powers of Attorney are a delegation, an appointment, not an interdiction. The person who signs a power of attorney does not lose any power and can revoke the delegation as quickly as it is granted.

Some have asked why would anyone do this? There are a million reasons. When my kids went to college, I had them sign powers of attorney in favor of me so that I could pay bills for them and if they needed medical treatment and were unable to consent, I could do it. When over 18, powers of attorney are generally required. My wife and I have standing powers of attorney. I hold power of attorney for my father, who is totally competent. When we closed on our home my wife was out of the country. The closing attorney required a special power of attorney. When you purchase a car from a dealer you execute a power of attorney that allows the dealer to file the registration on your behalf.

Powers of attorney are for contingencies and planning. The mere execution of a power of attorney means nothing by itself.
Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1165 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:55 pm to
Signing a POA means nothing relative to competency. I agree that she appears incompetent and personally think she should resign. But Hank is right that the initial idea was flawed.
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
11291 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:19 pm to
wrong
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
5071 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:24 pm to
Hank,

I believe that is completely about losing mental acuity given the vote taken this past week in the Senate where she was told to say "Aye", and then she went on a speech, and was told to say "Aye" two more times, looked very confused and finally said "Aye".
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:24 pm to
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Signing a POA means nothing relative to competency. I agree that she appears incompetent and personally think she should resign. But Hank is right that the initial idea was flawed.


The initial idea isn’t flawed when Stevie Wonder can see that she is terribly mentally deficient.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:27 pm to
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Would you hire her to handle your affairs? No? Then it is, isn’t it?
No, Troy, it is not.

Look, you don't understand the concept of a Power of Attorney. That is fine. You are a layperson, and you aren't necessarily expected to have that understanding.

But you are ignoring a half-dozen lawyers telling you that you are wrong. That is just intentional ignorance.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:30 pm to
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I believe that is completely about losing mental acuity given the vote taken this past week in the Senate where she was told to say "Aye", and then she went on a speech, and was told to say "Aye" two more times, looked very confused and finally said "Aye"
As both Mickey and I have said at least a half-dozen times, she is definitely in decline. Hell, she may even be NCM.

But execution of a PoA in favor or her daughter does NOT establish NCM status, as alleged in the OP.

Why is anyone still arguing this point? It has been explained again and again, and not just by me.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:34 pm to
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The initial idea isn’t flawed when Stevie Wonder can see that she is terribly mentally deficient.


yessir, do not need anything signed to tell me that woman has major cognitive decline.

She represents her constituents very well.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
15353 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:38 pm to
Term limits
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:44 pm to
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No, Troy, it is not. Look, you don't understand the concept of a Power of Attorney. That is fine. You are a layperson, and you aren't necessarily expected to have that understanding. But you are ignoring a half-dozen lawyers telling you that you are wrong. That is just intentional ignorance.


I understand it just fine, douchebag. Incapacity to handle your affairs take on quite the other definition when you have displayed that you have bats in the belfry. Apparently it’s your job and others here to play up the too busy part, and downplay or ignore the crazy as a shithouse rat part.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182499 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:47 pm to
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My wife and I gave POA to each other over 25 years ago. It doesn't mean we are incapable of making decisions for ourselves.

I don't understand the point of the article or this thread over POA.



DiFi is less mentally capable than Joe. She had to be told how to vote the other day.

No one 90 years old should be in Congress.
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