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Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35926 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:43 pm to
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k that’s one. You claimed EXPERTS. Plural. I said name three. Keep going.


No need. The authority of my expert trumps yours. I won.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:49 pm to
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Listen VERY carefully ... your idiot DID NOT say that 11 ng/ml was not a lethal level. Got it?


Imagine believing a Forensic Pathologist for the Mayo Clinic who co-authored a study on the reliability of postmortem fentanyl levels when determining the cause of death is an idiot.

Oof!

Dr. Lindsey Thomas, an expert witness who has reviewed documents and videos in the case, echoed Tobin's testimony and noted the slow nature of Floyd's death supports the conclusion that he did not die of a fentanyl overdose. She testified that there was "no evidence" that indicated that Floyd "would have died that night except for the interactions with law enforcement".
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138878 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:54 pm to
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No. This is your statement and my question:



Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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138878 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:56 pm to
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Imagine believing a Forensic Pathologist for the Mayo Clinic who co-authored a study on the reliability of postmortem fentanyl levels when determining the cause of death is an idiot.
Oh you have no idea.

A POS named Fauci was an idiot ... before he was a criminal.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30471 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:00 pm to
Just answer the question.

Please list the bio-active metabolites of morphine and amphetamines in Floyd's blood.

It was your statement it should be simple.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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138878 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:02 pm to
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Please list the bio-active metabolites of morphine and amphetamines in Floyd's blood.
morphine and amphetamines
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:04 pm to
Random social media user: “you’re wrong”

ME: *cites testimony given under oath by medical experts*

Random social media user: “Your expert is a doo-doo head. You should trust me instead though I have nothing to support my disagreement with those experts who are doo-doo heads.”

ME: “No.”
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30471 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:11 pm to
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morphine and amphetamines


So you don't know what the word metabolite means. We have found the issue. I had assumed you were confused about the bioactivity of 4-ANPP and Norfentanyl and the difference between a precursor and a metabolite but it was more fundamental than that. BTW the unbound morphine was no longer in circulation.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138878 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:12 pm to
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You should trust me instead though I have nothing to support my disagreement
link?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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138878 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:27 pm to
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So you don't know what the word metabolite means
you mean like free morphine vs morphine sulphate? Really?
You geaux gurl!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138878 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:29 pm to
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I had assumed
You do well avoiding that
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30471 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:43 pm to
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you mean like free morphine vs morphine sulphate? Really?


Unbound morphine is not a morphine metabolite M6G and M3G are the primary human metabolites produced via hepatic glucuronidation. The drug has to be broken down by a metabolic (not simply chemical) process to be a metabolite. The unbinding of morphine is not due to a metabolic process. Even if you incorrectly consider it a metabolite the morphine was not in circulation. I assume you just realized and accepted amphetamines are not a metabolite of amphetamines.

You clearly do not understand what drug metabolites are since you kept doubling and tripling down. This should be considered when people read your opinions about toxicology.



ETA the morphine is Floyd's blood is almost certainly not a result of him using morphine sulphate but rather heroin. Morphine is a metabolite of heroin but morphine is not a metabolite of morphine sulphate.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 9:52 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:54 pm to
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So you're not bright enough to understand people aren't arguing that those are the facts of the matter, they're arguing that the justice system isn't infallible and this was an extremely unique case where politics was heavily involved.


He’s extremely not bright.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:07 pm to
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You’re right. I should ignore the professional with a medical degree and instead believe the poster on an LSU sports message board with nothing to back up their claims.


Even if that poster is an MD?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:08 pm to
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Fair enough. If anyone beats (or chokes, or whatever else) someone dying of cancer to death, it’s still murder.


Now do 12 week old in the womb, Little Joey
Posted by APHA
Corpus Christi
Member since Mar 2013
544 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:17 pm to
Next thing you will hear is he died. They will then put him in witness protection just like Epstein. All a big play for the masses.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30471 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:58 pm to
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Even if that poster is an MD?


He has shown himself to be sloppy ITT. He stated amphetamines were a metabolite of amphetamines. This is remotely analogous to you conflating case law with codified law, while they are similar in some generic layman's sense they are indeed distinctively different and would call into question any other legal opinions you were rendering within a thread. Everyone speaks loosely on occasion but if we are relitigating the case then one has to be more accurate so as to make a cogent useful argument. If he had presented that "metabolite" assertion on direct I would expect you would tear his arse up on X.

Separate discussion:

The drugs in Floyd's system are a legitimate area of discussion but things like opining that 3 ng/ml would have been fatal in a regular consumer of opioids is beyond silly. There is an entire discussion to be had regarding the 11 ng/ml of fentanyl in his system and the polydrug interaction with the amphetamines (less so with the THC) but there are just not good studies in the area to be able to any of the drugs the primary factor in his death. This is why you have such differing opinions from the "experts". It just isn't as cut and dried as some want it to be. I think both the drugs and the actions of Chauvin were contributing factors. Were Chauvins enough to convict him of criminal homicide? Maybe or maybe not, that is a decision for the trier of fact. Chauvin did not have an unbiased jury but those are unicorns since they only exist in the ivory towers of legal discourse. Chauvin was saddled with a bad place and the worst time to be in the situation. Like Floyd he came into the situation with baggage which makes it easier for both sides to make a full judgement on prior acts. In my personal opinion, Chauvin was not a good cop (using evidence beyond this case) but he didn't deserve the outcome he got.
Posted by Motownsix
NOLA
Member since Oct 2022
3274 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 12:31 am to
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Same reason those cameras shut off for Epstein's cell...


Why do people think Trump had Epstein killed? Just because they were good friends? Epstein was no threat to him.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3289 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 3:31 am to
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No one has said George Floyd was a hero. More like he was yet another in an endless list of victims of police brutality.


Yet another statement in what is rapidly becoming an endless list of posts by you that are simply devoid of facts.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138878 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 4:02 am to
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Even if you incorrectly consider it a metabolite the morphine was not in circulation.

How the frick do you think the stuff got in Floyd's urine, moron!

The metabolites comment was originally intended to simply point out the fact of polypharmacology (presence of combined drugs) and multiple exposures (dosings) atop an acute lethal fentanyl dose. If you're stupid enough though (and you apparently are) to suppose that someone with free forms of hepatically excretable substances in their urine, does not concomitantly have metabolites in their serum, I'd hope you're not remotely affiliated with a healthcare field, not even as a receptionist.
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