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re: Derek Chauvin seriously injured in knife attack in prison
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:44 pm to TigerIn2023
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:44 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:Why did you cite the verdict?
I never claimed the justice system was infallible
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Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:52 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Floyd also had active metabolites of morphine, amphetamine, and pot in circulation.
What were the bio-active metabolites of morphine and amphetamines in Floyd's blood? I am assuming you just misspoke or have a different tox report than I have.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:53 pm to gymnopedies13
quote:
More like he was yet another in an endless list of victims of fentanyl abuse and big pharmaceutical companies and hospitals not being held responsible for drug addiction from opioids.
FIFY
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:55 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:59 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Why did you cite the verdict?
Why did you claim “opiate and mixed toxicity killed Floyd” because his Fentanyl concentration was greater than 3 ng/ml when a Forensic Pathologist for the Mayo Clinic who co-authored a study on the reliability of postmortem fentanyl levels when determining the cause of death said “to say that the death was due to fentanyl alone based only on a drug concentration of 11 ng/ml, and to ignore the neck compression entirely, would stretch the bounds of credulity”?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:00 pm to Dex Morgan
quote:
Why do you have so much love for government agents?
That's not the characteristic of Chauvin that has them acting so sympathetic.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:03 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:What ... was ... the ... evidence ... of ... this ... supposed ... neck ... compression ... ?
“to say that the death was due to fentanyl alone based only on a drug concentration of 11 ng/ml, and to ignore the neck compression entirely, would stretch the bounds of credulity”?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police.
What ... was ... the ... evidence ... of ... this ... supposed ... neck ... compression ... ?
Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart.
Similarly, an independent autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family ruled "asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause" of Floyd's death.
Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist and critical care specialist of Loyola University Medical Center, also testified during Chauvin's trial that Floyd died of a lack of oxygen from being pinned to the pavement with a knee on his neck. He added, “A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died."
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:12 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:Are we talking about what looked bad on film, OR WHAT WAS SCIENTIFICALLY DOCUMENTED?
The Hennepin County medical examiner's office ruled Floyd's death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest" complicated by "restraint, and neck compression" while he was being subdued by police.
Medical Examiner Andrew Baker testified that the way officers held Floyd down and compressed his neck while restraining him "was just more than Mr. Floyd could take," given the condition of his heart.
Similarly, an independent autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family ruled "asphyxiation from sustained pressure was the cause" of Floyd's death.
Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist and critical care specialist of Loyola University Medical Center, also testified during Chauvin's trial that Floyd died of a lack of oxygen from being pinned to the pavement with a knee on his neck. He added, “A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died."
What ... was ... the ... EVIDENCE ... of ... this ... supposed ... neck ... compression ... ?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:17 pm to NC_Tigah
Same one, my question stands.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:19 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Same one, my question stands.
Is your confusion based on urine vs serum?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:19 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:
TigerIn2023
You do realize the defense presented experts which stated it wasn’t the compression that killed Floyd, right? Actually you probably don’t.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:20 pm to NC_Tigah
Just to be 100% clear, you honestly believe I should disregard the expert opinion of a Forensic Pathologist for the Mayo Clinic, the Hennepin County medical examiner's office, Medical Examiner Andrew Baker’s testimony, and Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist and critical care specialist of Loyola University Medical Center, because they don’t have or understand the scientific evidence? And disregard it because some random user on an LSU sports message board simply doesn’t want it to be true?
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:30 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:I honestly believe it's funny you feel the need to UV yourself.
you honestly believe
quote:Again, I couldn't care less who you chose to regard, or disregard. But when you post your opinions here, and they are fallacious, you will get called on them and corrected.
you honestly believe I should disregard the expert opinion
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:32 pm to Robin Masters
quote:
You do realize the defense presented experts which stated it wasn’t the compression that killed Floyd, right? Actually you probably don’t.
Ok name three experts who testified for the defense that compression did not kill Floyd.
I’ll wait…
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:35 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
But when you post your opinions here, and they are fallacious, you will get called on them and corrected.
… says the user who claimed “opiate and mixed toxicity killed Floyd” because his Fentanyl concentration was greater than 3 ng/ml when a Forensic Pathologist for the Mayo Clinic who co-authored a study on the reliability of postmortem fentanyl levels when determining the cause of death said “to say that the death was due to fentanyl alone based only on a drug concentration of 11 ng/ml, and to ignore the neck compression entirely, would stretch the bounds of credulity”.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:39 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Is your confusion based on urine vs serum?
No. This is your statement and my question:
quote:
quote:
Floyd also had active metabolites of morphine, amphetamine, and pot in circulation.
What were the bio-active metabolites of morphine and amphetamines in Floyd's blood? I am assuming you just misspoke or have a different tox report than I have.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:39 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:
Ok name three experts who testified for the defense that compression did not kill Floyd. I’ll wait…
Are you suggesting the Chief Medical examiner for the state of Maryland doesn’t know what he’s talking about?
Your expert is only an assistant Chief so you know, I win.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:40 pm to Robin Masters
Ok that’s one. You claimed EXPERTS. Plural. I said name three. Keep going.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:43 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:Negative
“opiate and mixed toxicity killed Floyd” because his Fentanyl concentration was greater than 3 ng/ml
quote:Listen VERY carefully ... your idiot DID NOT say that 11 ng/ml was not a lethal level. Got it?
a Forensic Pathologist for the Mayo Clinic who co-authored a study on the reliability of postmortem fentanyl levels when determining the cause of death said “to say that the death was due to fentanyl alone based only on a drug concentration of 11 ng/ml, and to ignore the neck compression entirely, would stretch the bounds of credulity”.
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