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re: Derek Chauvin seriously injured in knife attack in prison

Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:09 am to
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:09 am to
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ut? I’m not Dr. Martin J. Tobin, pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure. Nor do I think he posts here sweetheart.


Yeah and I don’t trust your version of events being just a random poster on a message board.

Are you starting to understand why appeal to authority is a logical fallacy?

And why the need to resort to name calling? Are you getting frustrated?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:11 am to
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Then a rebuttal witness, a pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure, was later called in to laugh that theory out of court.
The one who lied about etiology of Floyd's pulmonary edema? or are you addressing a different pulmonologist?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:12 am to
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Are you starting to understand why appeal to authority is a logical fallacy?


He doesn’t. He doesn’t know anything. That’s why he both appeals to authority and doesn’t understand the argument’s inherent weakness.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35925 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:14 am to
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I’m not Dr. Martin J. Tobin, pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure. Nor do I think he posts here sweetheart.


You do realize expert witnesses are paid right? And that the prosecution has a virtually limitless budget to buy experts while the defense likely has much much smaller budget? Also the media fellated the prosecution witnesses endlessly providing perhaps an even more valuable level of remuneration.
So prosecution witnesses due to their compensation have a vested interest in saying exactly what the prosecution wants them to. Their future livelihood depends on it.

Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:17 am to
No, citing a medical expert isn't inherently an appeal to authority fallacy. It becomes fallacious if the authority's expertise isn't relevant to the topic at hand or if their opinion is taken as absolute truth without supporting evidence. However, relying on a qualified medical expert's opinion can often provide valuable information in discussions related to medical or health-related matters.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:22 am to
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So prosecution witnesses due to their compensation have a vested interest in saying exactly what the prosecution wants them to. Their future livelihood depends on it.


Imagine believing a pulmonologist at Loyola University Medical Center is living paycheck to paycheck and willing to put their reputation on the line to commit perjury in order to keep a a few bucks coming in.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:22 am to
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You do realize expert witnesses are paid right?
If he's talking about the same pulmonologist, IIRC, the guy didn't take a fee, because he'd never done the court "expert" thing previously.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:22 am to
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if their opinion is taken as absolute truth without supporting evidence.


I think I found your problem.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:25 am to
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Imagine believing a pulmonologist at Loyola University Medical Center is living paycheck to paycheck and willing to put their reputation on the line to commit perjury in order to keep a a few bucks coming in.
Have you looked at the insurance or medmal industry?

That said, did your pulmonologist actually accept a fee?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35925 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:27 am to
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If he's talking about the same pulmonologist, IIRC, the guy didn't take a fee, because he'd never done the court "expert" thing previously.


I wonder if being fellated by the media will enhance or hurt his future earnings?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35925 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:30 am to
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Imagine believing a pulmonologist at Loyola University Medical Center is living paycheck to paycheck and willing to put their reputation on the line to commit perjury in order to keep a a few bucks coming in.


Go look at how the media treated the defense’s expert after he gave his testimony. You think maybe that might dissuade experts from giving their testimony? It would me.

This post was edited on 11/26/23 at 9:30 am
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:30 am to
He might just really be emotionally invested.

And he testified in civil cases a lot. This was his first criminal case.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138876 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:31 am to
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I wonder if being fellated by the media will enhance or hurt his future earnings?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35925 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:31 am to
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if their opinion is taken as absolute truth without supporting evidence


This should sting a little.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35925 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:32 am to
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And he testified in civil cases a lot. This was his first criminal ca


No doubt his stock is through the roof now. This was like winning a Grammy on your debut album.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:39 am to
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Go look at how the media treated the defense’s expert after he gave his testimony. You think maybe that might dissuade experts from giving their testimony? It would me.

Cool. Yet you aren’t claiming they declined to give testimony. You are claiming they actively lied under oath and gave false testimony.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:39 am to
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You are claiming they actively lied under oath and gave false testimony.


No, he’s not, simple child.
Posted by gymnopedies13
Member since Nov 2023
256 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:42 am to
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If only he hadn't resisted arrest. He could have avoided getting himself killed. But he didn't and here he is now... dead. He literally caused his own death by his actions leading up to Chauvin restraining him.


You're basically saying resisting arrest is punishable by death, and if a suspect resists, it's totally OK if the cops kill them because they have that right.
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:42 am to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 9:45 am to
People let things influence their language and thought all the time without outright lying. Your whole post pattern here is a convenient example of it.
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