re: Derek Chauvin seriously injured in knife attack in prison

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quote: The Supremes just ruled against hearing an appeal.

You hear dat up there Georgie boy?? Look at God

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Look at God?
He didn't even get a peek @ St. Peter.
I bet you got a closeup look @ St. George's Peter, didn't you?

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If he had presented that "metabolite" assertion on direct I would expect you would tear his arse up on X.

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and you'd have gotten your arse handed to you, just as you did above.

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there are just not good studies in the area to be able to any of the drugs the primary factor in his death

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Of course there are.

Chest wall rigidity with acute fentanyl exposure in and of itself is enough to be a primary factor in Floyd's death. It certainly would explain Floyd's reticence to be confined in the car.

Nonetheless, there was zero evidence of neck compression or damage at autopsy. None Zip. Nada. The finding of pulmonary edema would be expected subsequent to vigorous CPR (which included a broken rib), contradicting any presupposition of NIPPE. Further Floyd's own conversation, right up until he lost consciousness destroys contentions of "neck compression."

Our system is supposed to presume innocence. To find guilt in this case one must hypothesize 11 ng/ml of acute fentanyl exposure atop concomitant polypharmacy was NOT lethal, or even contributory. You would also have to assume Floyd could not have experienced FICWR following acute dosing. Instead, the jury was directed to assume, in the absence of evidence, that "neck compression" was causative.

The contention that 11 ng/ml of fentanyl might be survivable, and therefore is irrelevant, is bizarre in a system which supposedly presumes innocence.

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Social media users are reviving a claim that George Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man killed in May 2020 actually died due to a drug overdose. These claims are misleading, as official medical and court records ruled that police restraint, not drug use, was the main cause of death and evidence does not support the claim that Floyd had lethal levels of drugs in his system.

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The initial autopsy report, 12 hours after the death, differs.
The autopsy report used is the one from the hack Crump picked.

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To find guilt in this case one must hypothesize 11 ng/ml of acute fentanyl exposure atop concomitant polypharmacy was NOT lethal, or even contributory.

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Lewis Nelson, director of the medical toxicology division at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, told the AP on Thursday that the medical examiner’s office and the expert witnesses called by prosecutors during the trial properly concluded that Floyd did not die of an overdose or because of his drug use.

He said the amount of fentanyl found in Floyd’s system could be lethal for a first-time user or a young child or a smaller adult, but likely not for Floyd, who was 46 years old, stood more than six feet tall, weighed more than 200 pounds and struggled with opioid addiction. Nelson also dismissed the amount of meth in Floyd’s system as “trivial.”

“If somebody was a chronic user and their blood level was 11, we wouldn’t be particularly concerned,” Nelson said of the amount of fentanyl in Floyd. “In fact, sometimes people could be in withdrawal with levels of 11. It’s tricky. You have to put it in context.”

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Why do people think Trump had Epstein killed? Just because they were good friends? Epstein was no threat to him.

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lying piece of schidt moron

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Nelson also dismissed the amount of meth in Floyd’s system as “trivial.”

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Dumb. The lingering CV effects of meth abuse are far from dismissable in this instance.

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but likely not for Floyd, who was 46 years old, stood more than six feet tall, weighed more than 200 pounds

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Again, that is simply a medically idiotic statement. The measurement being discussed is not dosing. It is the RESULT of dosing. Hence the measurement in ng/ml.

IOW, the amount of fentanyl Floyd consumed to generate the 11 ng/ml was massive, i.e., roughly twice the amount of someone with half his circulating volume with the same blood-level.

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“If somebody was a chronic user and their blood level was 11, we wouldn’t be particularly concerned,” Nelson said of the amount of fentanyl in Floyd. “In fact, sometimes people could be in withdrawal with levels of 11. It’s tricky. You have to put it in context.”

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That is partially true, and partially false. 11 ng/ml in the face of polypharmacy, excitation, and poor underlying medical condition, could absolutely be lethal. Again, the argument is REASONABLE DOUBT!

Arguments that it is technically possible the fentanyl might not have killed Floyd do not undercut REASONABLE DOUBT!

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Oh no! Some random user on an LSU Sports message board claimed the director of the medical toxicology division at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School is making “medically idiotic statements”, even though this user has literally nothing to rebut their statement! I guess I should just believe this random user on an LSU Sports message board over the director of the medical toxicology division at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School.

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Chief medical examiner for the state of Maryland said Floyd wasn’t killed by Chauvin.

Our authority beats your authority. We win!

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That is until an attorney completely discredited him on cross examination. Then a rebuttal witness, a pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure, was later called in to laugh that theory out of court.

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So the defense just left the director of the medical toxicology division at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School's theory alone. Surely that was discussed in court.

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That same Chief medical examiner for the state of Maryland also testified that he believes that Floyd possibly died of carbon monoxide poisoning. That is until an attorney completely discredited him on cross examination. Then a rebuttal witness, a pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure, was later called in to laugh that theory out of court. But you’re welcome to believe whatever you wish. ?

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You’re just a random poster on an LSU message board. I’ll go with the CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER from the state of Maryland thank you very much.

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pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure

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Not a chief medical examiner. My authority beats your authority. I win

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You’re just a random poster on an LSU message board.

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Wut?

I’m not Dr. Martin J. Tobin, pulmonologist, critical care specialist, physiologist, and recognized expert in respiratory failure. Nor do I think he posts here sweetheart.