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re: Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:34 am to The Maj
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:34 am to The Maj
quote:No more speculative than any of the notions that paint Dolloff as an evil aggressor amd Keltner as a completely-blameless Patriot. Far less so than most. To the contrary,” it is a reasonable extrapolation from a limited number of known data points.
Really just sounds like your usual, made up, non-contributing to the board BS...
But it does not posit a priori that the Patriot is a shining hero and the scum/filth is a black-hearted villain. So it will be dismissed as even a possibility by this crowd.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:36 am
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:36 am to AggieHank86
You’re such a victim, hank. Making sweeping assertions with less facts than those you denigrate, then whining “I have a life” as an excuse to why you’re ignorant and getting dunked on.
Woe is you.
Woe is you.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:38 am to AggieHank86
quote:
No more speculative than any of the notions that paint Dolloff as an evil aggressor
Yeah, it was... I understand why you can't see it...
However, have you addressed the other issues with Dolloff?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:38 am to Nguyener
quote:The factual sequence in this case is FAR more ambiguous than in the Rittenhouse cofrontation(s).
If there is a reason to riot, this is it.
If there is a reason for politicians to back a victim and denounce a perpetrator, this is it
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:46 am to Tiguar
quote:or he was physically-assaulted with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.
He drew his weapon in response to being slapped.
All a matter of perspective, isn’t it?
The sequence is simple.
Keltner leaves prior confrontation
Dolloff approaches Keltner
Dolloff probably touches Keltner’s arm
Keltner responds by hitting Dolloff
Dolloff unholsters weapon
Keltner gasses Dolloff
Dolloff shoots at Keltner
All in what ... 2-3 seconds?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:48 am to AggieHank86
quote:
In short, a series of unfortunate occurrences in which each player thought HE was in danger and no one INTENDED the final result.
You’re so intellectually dishonest. What exactly does “in danger” mean to you? Surely, an LSU lawyer doesn’t need to point out to you that the shooter has to be in fear of death or great bodily harm. Is there a reason you gloss over the fact that a can of mace doesn’t induce a fear of death or GBH in a reasonable person?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:49 am to Wolfhound45
quote:Wolf, you are usually quite objective. You know there is no evidence that he was trying to take the spray can. Yes, that IS one potential explanation, but only one of several.
The “security guard” walked up to the victim seconds after the conclusion of the initial incident and (apparently) tried to take his mace from him.
Your treating it as fact contributes to the conversion of speculation into narrative.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:50 am to Proximo
It doesn't even matter. The murderer drew his weapon with the victim retreating and hands at his side. He had every intent to fire. There was no threat when he began to draw.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:52 am to Proximo
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:52 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Keltner leaves prior confrontation
Dolloff approaches Keltner
Dolloff probably touches Keltner’s arm
Keltner responds by hitting Dolloff
Dolloff unholsters weapon
This sequence makes Dolloff a murderer.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:53 am
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:52 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Roger, he was unlicensed so he could not POSSIBLY have been acting in that role.
An overzealous and heated security guard shooting someone without justification is a VERY different narrative than an ANTIFA member shooting a Trump supporter in cold blood on that basis.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:53 am to Rebel
quote:I was the first person to post the text of the Colorado self-defense statute yesterday. Moron.
NAMBLA Hank tends to gloss over the actual law when it doesn’t support his agenda.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:54 am to upgrayedd
quote:The only one thus far is taken from a distance ( LINK).
Is there a full video of the encounter?
With slo-mo, it's evident mace precedes the gunshot by about 1/3rd of a second. They are virtually simultaneous.
Appears Dolloff was reaching for Keltner's mace and Keltner bitchslapped him. Stillshots make it clear Keltner then backed away 6 to 8 feet from Dolloff as Dolloff drew and fired.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:55 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son
Sadly, this would only matter in the media if he were black and a criminal.
Then they'd go on and on about injustice and how NOBODY deserves for this to happen, but we know what they really mean.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:55 am to AggieHank86
and subsequently bolded "great bodily harm" as if pepper spray meets that definition 
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:56 am to NC_Tigah
Doloff killed a small business owning grandfather because he was bitched slapped for being a bitch.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:57 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The factual sequence in this case is FAR more ambiguous than in the Rittenhouse cofrontation(s).
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:59 am to Diseasefreeforall
quote:
If I were his lawyer that's the angle I would probably argue.
That’s certainly the right tack. It’s going to be tougher to maintain if the shooter is yelling insults at the deceased as the victim walks up to him.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:59 am to Tiguar
quote:In direct response to a poster who had erroneously asserted that self-defense with a firearm is allowed ONLY when in fear of imminent death.
and subsequently bolded "great bodily harm" as if pepper spray meets that definition
I cannot decide whether you are (a) not very bright, (b) totally disingenuous, or (c) incapable of reading and comprehending Standard American English.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 8:00 am to AggieHank86
quote:
or he was physically-assaulted with enough force to knock his hat and glasses from his head.
A toddler can hit a grown man hard enough to do this.
Let’s not act like this requires the strength of a body builder
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