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re: Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:00 pm to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:00 pm to Homesick Tiger
I find it very odd how people are picking sides so quickly on this one. In this case it's unclear who each party was and what exactly they were doing there, what led up to the shooting, etc.
I'll reserve judgement for the time being, because I really have no idea what to think given the info currently on hand.
I'll reserve judgement for the time being, because I really have no idea what to think given the info currently on hand.
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Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:03 pm to tigerfan 64
quote:
The BLM shirt may actually be anti BLM.
The guy killed was pro cop - Blue Lives Matter.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:04 pm to upgrayedd
Here, I’ll just post it since everyone saying they “need more info” seem incapable of finding it themselves
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:06 pm to Tiguar
I saw all that, but I'd like to see the full context of the incident.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:07 pm to upgrayedd
There is going to be no context that justifies lethal force on someone backing away with 100 cops near you. He was drawing his weapon before the guy even went for the mace.
He drew his weapon in response to being slapped.
He drew his weapon in response to being slapped.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:08 pm to Tiguar
quote:Great work. Most important fact, the victim has his hands at his side while the assailant is already reaching for his weapon. Not a good shoot.
Tiguar
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:08 pm to Tiguar
I'm not disputing that he shot him, I'm questioning the events that led to it including who exactly each person was and what they were doing there.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
None of that matters.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:The “security guard” walked up to the victim seconds after the conclusion of the initial incident and (apparently) tried to take his mace from him. The victim resisted this attempt and (apparently) slapped him at that point. The assailant drew his weapon and shot him.
I'm not disputing that he shot him, I'm questioning the events that led to it including who exactly each person was and what they were doing there.
Total of 45 seconds - first confrontation and then off screen shooting (five seconds)
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:13 pm to Homesick Tiger
After seeing tiguars video slo mo i was clearly mistaken
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:13 pm to Tiguar
Sure it does, just as the circumstances surrounding Rittenhouse's presence at the scene and the actions of others involved mattered in that case.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
The circumstances people discussed about Rittenhouse were whether or not people were reaching for his gun.
That’s not even remotely similar.
I’ll say it again: there are no external circumstances that ever justify shooting someone for slapping you and backing up when there are cops everywhere around you.
He put himself in a “have to shoot” situation when he drew his weapon in response to getting slapped.
That’s not even remotely similar.
I’ll say it again: there are no external circumstances that ever justify shooting someone for slapping you and backing up when there are cops everywhere around you.
He put himself in a “have to shoot” situation when he drew his weapon in response to getting slapped.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:14 pm to Wolfhound45
Yup, he started pulling his gun out after being slapped and the victim was backing away. Murder.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
News 9 is going to get sued big time.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:16 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Total of 45 seconds - first confrontation and then off screen shooting (five seconds)
Well there you go folks.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:17 pm to Tiguar
quote:
There is going to be no context that justifies lethal force on someone backing away with 100 cops near you. He was drawing his weapon before the guy even went for the mace.
He drew his weapon in response to being slapped.
You may be 1000% correct. I just want to see the full video for myself.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:18 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
The “security guard” walked up to the victim seconds after the conclusion of the initial incident and (apparently) tried to take his mace from him. The victim resisted this attempt and (apparently) slapped him at that point. The assailant drew his weapon and shot him.
Total of 45 seconds - first confrontation and then off screen shooting (five seconds)
I understand that, but even the fact that you have to put security guard in parenthesis sort of makes my point.
Even if the fact that he committed murder were not in dispute at all, the nature of who he was and why he was there matters A LOT. This is because these cases are used as political narratives.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:19 pm to td01241
quote:Double
I was Army with two tours
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:20 pm to Roger Klarvin
I guess most of us already know these things. You have to be licensed to be an armed security guard in Denver. He was not. Big strike.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:20 pm to Wolfhound45
Twitter
He fricked. News9 fricked.
quote:
NEW: Denver Dept of Excise and Licenses confirms “there is no record for an active licensed security guard now or ever for an individual named Matthew Doloff or Dolloff. If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law”. More tonight on @CBSDenver at 10p
He fricked. News9 fricked.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 9:21 pm
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