re: Dem are winning the shutdown fight

Thune and Johnson are responsible for legislative victories.
DJT is doing his own work and doing it well.

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Yeah, so?

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So you end up with a distorted picture of current events, just as a lefty would if she only watches CNN and reads the NYT.

This will probably fall on deaf ears, but I recommend Matthew Yglesias’ substack. He is a very reasonable, intellectual, data mining center-leftist. His substack is “Slow Boring” due to its reliance on data and analyses.

If you are serious about debating current events you should engage your opponents at their best. On social media, we see them at their comical worst.

All I know is, if the Republicans have to give the DEMs anything to reopen the government, they better get something big in return. I mean they better grow a pair and not be like McConnell and just cave. By "Big", I mean they better come up with a demand the DEMs really hate like Voter ID, and they better make them vote for it if they want any of their demands met.

They need to take advantage of this situation and get something good from it.

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says who?

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Have to say, the Dems have done their usual job of blitzing social media and the MSM with their message of saving healthcare for the children, the poor, and the middle class.

All while keeping hidden away their desire to resume funding for USAID and other spending boondoggles.

The Republicans, as usual, instead of taking the fight to the Dems are just sitting back absorbing body blows. They’re almost non existent with messaging.

That’s not what any of the (what I believe to be) reliable data and polling sources I use.

Generally; the right really don’t care if it days shut down as long as more feds lose their jobs and we are seeing movement on ANTIFA

The left; they just want to fight, or to make a show about fighting, to try to appease their base with an ask Trump would be politically suicidal to agree to.

Either way you slice it the left is really in a lose lose because the independents, whose voices matter the most in this context, blame the dems

We just got back from our annual company trip to NW Montana. It was pretty nice to be able to enter Glacier NP without having to pay a fee since no one was there at the gate due to the shut down.

So far, nothing in my life has changed for the worse, nor have I suffered any hardship at all because of the shutdown. Air travel has proven markedly better as TSA agents were absent at Glacier International (Kalispell) and the private security agents performed at a much higher level of proficiency and professionalism than the government employees. It was also easier to declare/check a firearm for travel since the private agents checking my firearm for compliance with rules for its transportation were very knowledgeable with the rules and procedures.

Travel, for sure, was more enjoyable this past week than at any other time since the Patriot Act went into effect.

I, for one, am in favor of more frequent government shutdowns!

Odd take you got there pal……

You understand how this impacts Trump? They are all bound together in the outcome.

Why can't people see I'm not slamming Trump, I'm saying the Dems are on point and feel they have leverage where the GOP are faced with getting people to understand this is more than just an ACA tax credit debate.

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Most polling fwiw

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I interviewed 1500 people in downtown Chicago and the vast majority think Trump is at fault and blames the Republicans for the shutdown