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re: Deindustrialization - Have We Become a Poor Country?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We moved beyond basic manufacturing. We cannot do it efficiently. A big part of that is regulatory, other is wages
Even if some returns, its going to be highly automated and will not require any skilled labor.
The gulf between capabilities in the USA is just too great. We moved to high tech and services, too many people didnt evolve with the country.
The only way you can bring back the 1960s is for government to subsidize workers wages.
Pretty much everything there is made up out of thin air with no real world knowledge of anything
Even funnier is the fact that it contradicts itself
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:54 am to Lima Whiskey
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At some level it’s just a national security imperative, whatever the cost is
Might as well just go full on Leftist and call it "infrastructure"
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And we can’t outsource whole swaths of industry and become completely reliant on a foreign competitor for a whole range of consumer goods.
If we don't, then we devolve and our SOL goes way down.
I'm not married to China at all. I wish we'd invest more in Mexico and Central America. It would not only maintain our economic dominance but also likely thwart all the illegal immigration and solidify the border.
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and in the case of China, the Chinese government heavily supported the development of their industries.
Which is why they haven't really advanced anywhere close to a tertiary economy?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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In fact, we are importing millions of illegal aliens to take those kind of jobs because Americans will not do them
You think, just maybe, americans would do those jobs if they paid decent enough wages?
I am not referring to those idiots who want to try and live the american dream on minimum wage.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:57 am to Elblancodiablo
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You think, just maybe, americans would do those jobs if they paid decent enough wages?
Then you would be paying many times the cost for rubber dog shite, which puts us out of the market, which leads to offshore manufacturing...
A better plan is move workers out of doing mindless, repetitive work that doesnt advance their human development.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 11:59 am to Elblancodiablo
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This is a lie.
Smaller, shittier houses. Public school. Shittier, unreliable, and more dangerous cars. Public schools. No going out to eat. Limited vacations. No staying in hotels when you travel. etc etc.
It's 100% achievable.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:00 pm to Elblancodiablo
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You think, just maybe, americans would do those jobs if they paid decent enough wages?
#socialism
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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People today wouldn't live in those houses, do their own maintenance, eat 3 meals at home a day, fix their own cars....
I think they would if more new homebuilders offered these options
I know a younger married couple that I'm close friends with that live in a 2/1. It's an older house that they've put a lot of sweat equity into. I'm planning on buying or building something similar. The idea that everyone needs to live in a 4/3 with close to 3K square ft of living space is silly. Homes have gotten much larger over the years and created false expectations for what is actually a good quality of life.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:01 pm to Powerman
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I think they would if more new homebuilders offered these options
You can buy a "starter" today and do it.
Theres been nothing holding people back, except their over valued tastes.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not married to China at all. I wish we'd invest more in Mexico and Central America.
Mexico is now our biggest trade partner
No reason to wish
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:04 pm to Powerman
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I'm not married to China at all. I wish we'd invest more in Mexico and Central America.
Mexico is now our biggest trade partner
Chinese labor is getting too expensive. Mexico, Indonesia and Vietnam are benefitting.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:05 pm to BRUNNIN4
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Ukraine is not entitled to all of our money.
They are not entitled to any of our money...why are we there in the first place unless the Biden's have a secret agreement with them to return some of it to Hunter's account which of course then goes right to "sniffy"!
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You can buy a "starter" today and do it.
Theres been nothing holding people back, except their over valued tastes.
In my area you would probably have to buy a lot and get with a builder to do it custom. The new neighborhoods being built out don't have 2 bedroom homes. I just searched the entire metro area for 3 bedroom homes for sale built since 2015 and there is only one in the entire metro area. Just went to street view and it's definitely in a rough area of town as well.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Then you would be paying many times the cost for rubber dog shite
People would buy less rubber dog shite, not a big deal.
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A better plan is move workers out of doing mindless, repetitive work that doesnt advance their human developmen
A noble gesture no doubt. Unfortunately, millions of americans are simply not intelligent enough to make this a viable option. Wake up
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:20 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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They are cutting through them like hot butter like anyone even semi-informed knew would happen, but it doesn't seem to prevent you from making idiotic predictions and observations again and again.
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Two senior Israeli commanders and seven other soldiers have been killed by Hamas in a complex ambush in the Gaza City suburb of Shejaiya, an area that has seen intense urban fighting in recent days.
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Among the dead, announced by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) on Wednesday, were another colonel, three majors and several members of a combat rescue force.
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Over several days, the Israeli Air Force has dropped seven tons of water supplies to IDF troops on the ground in Gaza using its special operations “Shimshon” C-130s.
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An officer of the IDF 98th Division’s Logistics Array alluded to the difficulty of resupplying IDF Commandos in Khan Yunis with water. The City’s location and heavy fighting therein makes resupply by surface means impractical at best.
The Israeli forces in Khan Yunis were cut off for a while. The Israelis had to send in a relief column to reopen their supply line. Khan Yunis is only four miles from Israel.
Overall, Hamas’s lack of anti tank weapons is limiting their ability to stop the Israelis. On the other side, while the Israelis have killed a lot of ordinary people, they don’t appear to have inflicted serious casualties on Hamas, and Hamas has maintained the same tempo of attacks. They’ve said they will not negotiate a settlement and the return of the remaining hostages until Israel withdraws. And while the IDF has surrounded and cut off the urban areas in northern Gaza, they’ve cleared only small portions of them. The heavy fighting is yet to happen. The IDF is also showing its limitations. 20% of the deaths they’ve taken so far are due to friendly fire.
Hezbollah has not committed to war as this point, and so the worst case scenarios haven’t materialized, but Israel could still pull the trigger.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:21 pm to Elblancodiablo
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People would buy less rubber dog shite, not a big deal.
Then wages would crater and jobs would be lost
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Unfortunately, millions of americans are simply not intelligent enough to make this a viable option. Wake up
Yes, Leftism hates personal responsibility.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:22 pm to Elblancodiablo
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People would buy less rubber dog shite, not a big deal.
Which puts workers out of business, and it goes offshore.
The USA has surpassed the wage threshold for low level mfg. Its impossible to do it efficiently.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The USA has surpassed the wage threshold for low level mfg. Its impossible to do it efficiently.
Automation is the key
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Unfortunately, millions of americans are simply not intelligent enough to make this a viable option. Wake up
Yes, Leftism hates personal responsibility.
What does leftism, or any political ideology, have to do with the average intelligence of working americans?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you think other governments do not do that? The US, Japan, Taiwan, and many others have long histories of the state essentially guiding capital investment.
The US and Japan haven’t done it to near the level China has. The US and Japan also don’t practice forced labor like China does.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:41 pm to Lima Whiskey
Yes, the rulers of the USA have been de-industrializing the USA since at the latest, 1990 or so.
We are going to be largely a civilian service economy with the only main industry being making weapons of war, correction, we are that, right now.
We are going to be largely a civilian service economy with the only main industry being making weapons of war, correction, we are that, right now.
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