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re: Deep State / Shadow Government overview from CIA whistleblower (new documentary)

Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:58 pm to
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 8:58 pm to
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Kevin Shipp was a decorated CIA officer who refused to look the other way in regard to government criminality and cover-up


Shipp was on a radio show called "The Power Hour" last week, he's seems legit. He had a good QA with the show's callers. I'll definitely be searching for more Shipp related interviews.
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 10:53 pm to
I read through the whole JFK speech, and I feel that the following quote was taken out of context:

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.


These sentences alone, along with JFK's denouncing of secret societies, makes one think of the deep state and shadow government. But I think he is referring to Russian Cold War spies. I think JFK is asking the media to use restraint in what it publishes because enemies of America are obtaining information related to national security too easily through the media.

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For the facts of the matter are that this nation's foes have openly boasted of acquiring through our newspapers information they would otherwise hire agents to acquire through theft, bribery or espionage; that details of this nation's covert preparations to counter the enemy's covert operations have been available to every newspaper reader, friend and foe alike; that the size, the strength, the location and the nature of our forces and weapons, and our plans and strategy for their use, have all been pinpointed in the press and other news media to a degree sufficient to satisfy any foreign power; and that, in at least in one case, the publication of details concerning a secret mechanism whereby satellites were followed required its alteration at the expense of considerable time and money.


He does ask the media to be very honest and objective regarding his administration so that the public can be honestly and fully informed.

For the record, I am in agreement that there is a machine behind the scenes, that the shadow government serves the deep state; I just think this JFK speech is addressing something different.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 11:00 pm
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:01 pm to
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These sentences alone, along with JFK's denouncing of secret societies, makes one think of the deep state and shadow government. But I think he is referring to Russian Cold War spies. I think JFK is asking the media to use restraint in what it publishes because enemies of America are obtaining information related to national security too easily through the media.


I think you're on the right track. I think he saw the Prog/Socialists infiltrating academia, the media and American culture. Most of these hardcore leftists from the 50's/60's tried to find employment with influential positions. I would say the educational system, the Enemedia and pop culture is proof positive.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:23 pm to
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pop culture


They literally played a "frick Donald Trump" song at the VMAs...

Just unabashed about it anymore...too many people realize what's going on...they are going after people easily controlled by a hook and a beat...

Rational people smell their bullshite...but they are too afraid to investigate any local incidents because they are too afraid to face what they may find.
Posted by puse01
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:27 pm to
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Posted by Pinecone Repair
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:47 am to
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I remember thinking it was the scariest thing of the whole movie.


It's even more disturbing in the book.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:27 am to
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I believe JFK was talking about secret societies type stuff. Mafias of any consequence are very likely to be owned by people in the secret societies.



Right. He probably wasn't talking about communism at the height of the cold war or anything like that.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 6:53 am to
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Right. He probably wasn't talking about communism at the height of the cold war or anything like that.


Well, that isn't so straight forward either. There is much declassified information showing that the CIA was working with the Soviets throughout the entire cold war. The cold war could very well have been a concocted show by the ruling elites just to distract everyone, scare everyone, get people to handover more liberties and funnel money through military expenses.

Just look into how much the media was behind pushing the cold war. There is some smoke there.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 6:54 am
Posted by Paluka
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 10:35 am to
This video and some additional reading gives me chills and makes me sick to my stomach.

Please keep posting.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:40 am to
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This video and some additional reading gives me chills and makes me sick to my stomach.

The truth is certainly uncomfortable. It's why most folks refuse to accept it.

But at the same time it makes the reasoning behind current events much easier to understand, while others remain confused by their glutton for propaganda.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46151 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:43 am to
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The truth is certainly uncomfortable. It's why most folks refuse to accept it. But at the same time it makes the reasoning behind current events much easier to understand, while others remain confused by their glutton for propaganda.


Good post, I'm probably closer to your camp than most on PT....., uhh, but you do walk alone in conspiraciville much of the time.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:01 pm to
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uhh, but you do walk alone in conspiraciville much of the time.
Name one conspiracy that I've brought forth that you don't believe in.

I ask this all the time of people who accuse me of what you just did, and they can never give me an answer.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:13 pm to
I don't understand the point of a dentist chair. Could someone explain why or how that would be used besides dental stuff?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:16 pm to
masochism?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:22 pm to
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I don't understand the point of a dentist chair. Could someone explain why or how that would be used besides dental stuff?


Nobody knows for sure. It is just completely random and bizarre except for the fact that both Podesta and Epstein have fully functional dental equipment. Both have many many ties to child sex trafficking and satanic rituals. There is also a dental equipment distributor connected through the comet pizza ordeal.

The guesses range from it being a fetish to being used to extract teeth from victims to prevent dental record identification. The chairs are also a great way to execute injections or other types of extractions.

The only sure thing about it is that it is weird as hell.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:52 pm to
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The guesses range from it being a fetish to being used to extract teeth from victims to prevent dental record identification. The chairs are also a great way to execute injections or other types of extractions.


Another angle to consider

FNN

quote:

Are baby, wisdom teeth the next wave in stem cell treatment?


Legit science. Check out the first image at link above....
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:05 pm to
That looks like a solid angle and matches well with the known practices of using child blood for blood transfusions.
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35639 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:38 pm to
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uhh, but you do walk alone in conspiraciville much of the time.





Name one conspiracy that I've brought forth that you don't believe in.

I ask this all the time of people who accuse me of what you just did, and they can never give me an answer.
(crickets)

That's what I thought. You knuckleheads always keep that conspiracy theory card in your pockets to pull out when I say something you don't agree with.


This board never disappoints.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46151 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 2:37 pm to
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(crickets)

That's what I thought. You knuckleheads always keep that conspiracy theory card in your pockets to pull out when I say something you don't agree with.


This board never disappoints.


I'm working baw! Wait until I have my supper this evening and I'll venture into your world.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/30/17 at 2:38 pm to
I just watched it. It touches on several subjects that are thought of as conspiracy theories.
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