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re: DeCarlos Brown Jr. found incompetent to proceed in Charlotte light rail killing

Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:44 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:44 am to
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Why aren't doctors held liable when their patients run off to murder someone?
They should be.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:03 pm to
So this is called a light rail killing?

Interesting
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:21 pm to
I was also wondering about the phrasing and thought it was some 4cubbies kind of “journalist”


The headline….

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Man accused of killing Iryna Zarutska on Charlotte light rail found ‘incapable to proceed’
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 2:12 pm to
If there was ever a case to fast-track a very public execution, this would be the case.

In that video, the fear and shock in Irina's eyes, it will haunt me for as long as I walk this earth.

And none of those "cultured" bystanders at the crime scene did anything to help her. They should be drawn and quartered right along with DBJ. They saw the whole thing, and just walked away while that girl died alone and scared. A special place awaits them ALL in the hottest depths of Acheron.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 2:36 pm to
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It just means he can't be tried. Depending on what happens with the federal charges, he will remain in custody at a secure psychiatric facility indefinitely.


Lol. “Indefinitely.”
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:20 pm to
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Lol. “Indefinitely.”

Correct. He very well could be there for life.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:26 pm to
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Correct. He very well could be there for life.


He won’t be in for 5 years. Bookmark it.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:32 pm to
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Last December, the Bowling Green Police Department arrested Johnson Lloyd, 25, for violently attacking and raping the clerk at a hotel off Interstate 65. Police said Lloyd had been trying to sleep on a couch in the hotel lobby and was repeatedly asked to leave when he physically and sexually assaulted the woman working behind the counter.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates discovered that Lloyd was first arrested in Maryland in 2017 for armed robbery and assault. But because of his mental illness, doctors found him "not criminally responsible." He was sent to a mental hospital for five years and then released to a group home where he could continue to get medication and other mental health services.

But Lloyd instead took off and headed for Tennessee where he was arrested in Brentwood for shoplifting. He spent 45 days in jail and then almost immediately after that, he was arrested in Nashville after he somehow got a key to a Midtown hotel room and spent the night there.

Tthe very next day, he was arrested again and charged with felony burglary after going into a Midtown pizza place and stealing an employee's purse.

Lloyd spent the next year in the Metro jail because the court wanted a mental evaluation of him, and it took a while to get it done.

As in Maryland, the mental evaluation in Davidson County found Lloyd was incompetent to stand trial. And doctors at the state's mental health facility in Nashville wrote in their report that Lloyd would "never likely become competent." But, unlike the doctors in Maryland, the experts in Tennessee found Lloyd "did not meet" the standard to be committed to a mental hospital, meaning they did not feel that he posed a danger to himself or others.

Back at the courthouse because of the incompetency determination, the judge had no choice under the law, but to dismiss the burglary charge and order Lloyd released from jail…

Lloyd got off the bus in Robertson County and just hours after leaving the jail in Nashville. Police were called because he was allegedly causing trouble at a gas station convenience store off the interstate in Portland.

In police body cam video, Lloyd sounds confused and, at one point, tells the officer he wants to go to the hospital because he's hearing voices.

But doctors at the Portland Medical Center checked him out and said he was fine and good to go.

So where did he go?

The Portland police officer drove Lloyd across the state line to Franklin, Kentucky, where the officer dropped him off at the Mint Gaming Hall where Lloyd was arrested for assaulting a security officer.

He's now had two run-ins with police since leaving the Metro jail, less than eight hours earlier.

But he wasn't done.

Over the next two days, records show police in both Franklin, Kentucky, and Portland got multiple calls about Lloyd causing mischief, even breaking into a house.

Finally, it seems a Franklin, Kentucky, police officer had had enough and drove Lloyd to nearby Bowling Green where he dropped him off right around the corner from the hotel where a short time later, police say Lloyd brutally attacked the clerk.



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Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:39 pm to
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In 2014, the Great Falls, Montana, man was charged with assaulting two detention officers while he was in jail, accused of theft. A mental health evaluation concluded that Fowler, who has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, was unfit to stand trial, according to court documents. After Fowler received psychiatric treatment for several months, a judge ruled that he was unlikely to become competent anytime soon. His case was dismissed, and after a stay in the state-run psychiatric hospital, he was released.

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When Mental Illness Leads to Dropped Charges, Patients Often Go Without Stabilizing Care

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In 2014, the Great Falls, Montana, man was charged with assaulting two detention officers while he was in jail, accused of theft. A mental health evaluation concluded that Fowler, who has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, was unfit to stand trial, according to court documents. After Fowler received psychiatric treatment for several months, a judge ruled that he was unlikely to become competent anytime soon. His case was dismissed, and after a stay in the state-run psychiatric hospital, he was released.

Roughly eight months after the dismissal, Fowler was arrested again, accused of beating a stranger with a metal pipe. As before, he was found unfit for trial, the charges were dropped, and he was eventually released.

At least five times from 2014 through 2021, Fowler went through the same cycle: He was picked up on serious charges, mental health professionals declared him incompetent, and his case was dismissed. Fowler declined to be interviewed for this article. As of July, he hadn’t faced felony charges for more than a year.

In the U.S., criminal proceedings are halted if a defendant is determined to be incompetent. What happens after that varies from state to state. No one is tracking how often criminal charges are dismissed because defendants’ mental illness prevents them from understanding the court process to help in their defense.

Some states have policies to transition hospitalized patients to independence after their criminal charges have been dropped. But in others, such as Montana, there are few landing spots for such patients outside of jail or a hospital to aid in that transition. Health professionals, county attorneys, and criminal defendants have said people declared unfit for trial may have a short stay in a psychiatric hospital before being released without additional oversight.

…Plus, health professionals say most defendants who are determined to be incompetent become stable enough through treatment for their case to continue.

Some never do. The criminal justice system has long been a revolving door for defendants with a mental illness. The national nonprofit Treatment Advocacy Center, which advocates to make treatment for a severe mental illness more accessible, found that as of 2017, 21 states made little-to-no effort to create programs that treat those defendants. That failure leaves individuals without stability, and some go on to hurt themselves or others.

…Minnesota has a process to identify, treat, and manage risk for people determined to be “mentally ill and dangerous.” However, maintaining appropriate staffing levels at treatment facilities has been a problem, as has finding enough community-based options for people who need a higher level of care than typical group homes can offer. Last year, a KARE 11 statewide investigation found dozens of cases in which people charged with serious crimes — including assaults, rapes, and murders — were deemed mentally incompetent and released without steady treatment or supervision. As a result, more people were hurt, according to the investigation.

…Lewis and Clark County Attorney Leo Gallagher said people are sometimes released as soon as their case is dismissed. An involuntary commitment for a mental illness requires people to be an imminent threat to themselves or others. Gallagher said that’s a high bar to meet.

By the time a motion for commitment goes before a judge after someone is found unlikely to become fit to stand trial, the defendant could have been jailed or hospitalized for months. That time frame makes it hard to prove an imminent threat remains, Gallagher said, and a judge is likely to deny the commitment.



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Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:48 pm to
Actually, found this.

North Carolina limits holds for competency to 10 years.

After 10 years of being held for incompetence, the person must be released. Stab a white woman to death on video. Do 10 years in a psych ward.

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Under current law, felony defendants in similar cases must be released from jail when courts decide the person is unlikely to progress mentally to the point of being competent for trial, or 10 years from the court finding they are incapable to proceed, whichever comes first. Another provision requires dismissal of the charges once the person has waited without trial for longer than the maximum sentence corresponding to their charge.


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Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:48 pm to
It's why we desperately need insane asylums to be reintroduced.

He is someone who would've been put in an asylum before he could harm the public.

That's the biggest problem right now. Too many crazy , violent frickers, who can't function in society are roaming the streets of every town and city. Have to wait until they kill someone before someone thinks "hmm maybe we need to get this person off the streets."


There's a homeless guy in his 40s who loiters at gas station I frequent. Apparently he roams around the property for 3 to 4 hours a day. He's extremely twitchy and spends the entire time he's there talking to himself. Having full conversations with himself. Keep telling the employees that they need to call police and get him trespassed.. because no one knows wtf that voice in his head will tell him to do. He's a powder keg waiting to blow.
Posted by djmed
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 7:50 pm to
I bet they turn him loose

Maybe not tomorrow but within months
Not years
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 8:47 pm to
K. Thanks for the spam. NC laws suck apparently.
Posted by greygoose
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 8:49 pm to
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No trial necessary
Just take that POS out back, and put a .45 slug between his eyes. In the immortal words of Clint Eastwood, "Some people just need killin".
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:25 pm to
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K. Thanks for the spam. NC laws suck apparently.


You misspelled education. You’re welcome, bitch.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:58 am to
This needs to end. The idea that because you lack mental capacity you shouldn’t face accountability for your actions is bs. Either you did the crime or you didn’t. The trust in our justice system to do what is necessary is almost completely gone at this point.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:05 am to
Cool. If he’s incompetent to proceed, take him behind the jail and shoot him. We tolerate the mental health bullshite way too much in America. If they’re crazy, put their arse down and move on. No reason to waste public dollars on housing them.
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 3:24 am to
He’s also incompetent to walk freely amongst his peers. They can “restore “ his psyche with memorized and focused thoughts and responses but that person will always be a bar’s distance away from pulling out a knife and slashing the throat of anybody whose life he envy’s and detests.

Focus and resources should be on the good folk. LAI may someday be able to fix this, but That’s a ways off.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:23 am to
The Canadian MAID program can cure his mental illness.
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